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A project for a low-cost school (KS4 - 2 years leading to the GCSE exams)

53 replies

MrSir · 22/12/2014 23:01

Hello!

I'm really interested in hearing your opinions so please read on and reply.

I am a teacher of Mathematics. I was educated abroad but trained to teach in the UK. Teaching is my calling but all the academies and comprehensives I have known over the years are a sad business.

I am obsessed with starting my own school. It needs to be independent in order to remain free from the control of LEA and OFSTED.

I'll try to be clear and succinct: it is a low-cost school. The fees should be no less than £300 per each of 12 months and no more than £500. Students study only academic IGCSE (Maths, additional Maths, Bio, Chem, Phys, Eng Language, Eng Literature, History, Geography, one or two Modern Foreign Languages (MFL)). This is our focus - academic learning leading for the 3 years leading to the GCSEs (years 9, 10 and 11 - ages 13 - 16). We would start 1 year early to allow time to work on the basics and to extend further later on. For example, a student gets up to speed in Maths in year 1, achieves an A or B by year 2 and, by year 3 they are ready to receive an A*/A and to sit additional Maths as well. If we start early, we'll have time to be successfull without stress.

Our great advantage is the availability of tutorials with subject teachers at the end of the day, for better support. I have worked out timetables for this effect. One short tutorial (20 min in a group of 3 or 4) at least once per week. All teaching of academic subjects takes place before lunch, with the exception of MFL. The remaining time is spent in non- academic activities, tutorials, homework, reading and supervised study. The school day would finish about 17:00.

Admission would be subject to successful interview and record/reference of positive behaviour. The idea is to take in students who are "flying under the radar" or those who need a bigger challenge. No misbehaviour allowed.

Meals (optional) would be brought in by a catering business and the daily cost would be less than £6, including a simple breakfast, lunch and a break time snack - all simple but healthy. I am particularly mindful of the need to keep it healthy.

My problem at the moment is that I'm not sure what parents value the most and if they would support this vision - a vision of focus on true academic learning and excellence. Sporting activities would be encouraged but optional and paid seperately (Judo and dance would be my first choice). Other options would include Swimming, Music and Drama, also paid seperately.

The facilities would not impress you. I am looking at underutilized office buildings anywhere between Guildford, Maidstone and Cambridge. If they have good natural light, air flow, good acoustics and are generally decent, they work for me. Large green football fields are miles away from the budget. The appearance will be functional and modern - luxuries come at a luxury's price.

I am also a big fan of Saturday tutorials/ remedial teaching, trips and sporting activities. Is that a good idea or too much school in a week?

One more thing: there are no half-term holidays. For me, a half-term is one-half of a job done, so I see no reason to pack up one's things and go on a holiday. Half-terms are a great opportunity for field trips, cross-curricular projects and great lessons that are not necessarily academic in nature. It is, perhaps, a great time to hire science equipment and do some experiments.

I cannot go any further with this project until I understand what parents like yourself find essential and what they can do without.

Thank you for reading. Please, let me know what you think.

OP posts:
DoctorDonnaNoble · 23/12/2014 18:16

I teach at one of the top schools in the country. Wouldn't dream of applying to a school that will clearly run out of money and doesn't understand the practical element to English Literature, plays are performance texts.

basildonbond · 23/12/2014 18:50

Isn't it £500 per month so maximum of £6000 fees? Would still be woefully underfunded

Mostlyjustaluker · 23/12/2014 18:57

What about psche curriculum, are you not offering even basic sre? Who will be your child protection officer? How you pay for them?

bloodyteenagers · 23/12/2014 20:06

Max of £500 per 12 months.
Reading further, the school would run tutorials of 20 minutes with 3 or 4 students... So what 5 minutes each? 20 minutes covers nothing. Even more so when lessons stop at lunch time.
Had this person carried out any research they would know that teens work better later in the morning.
Then as well as paying the elephants teachers peanuts, they will have no half terms and students will be expected to be in school until 5.. So teaching staff 8-6..
Really wish the op would stop being a wimp and come back to answer the questions. If hard questions cannot be answered on a forum how the hell are they going to cope with parents.

ReallyTired · 23/12/2014 20:16

Parents don't tend to take a child out of a secondary school unless there is a serious problem. The only kids you would attract would be special needs kids who are fairly high maintaince.

ShipwreckedAndMerrilyComatose · 23/12/2014 20:16

There is a part of me that is hoping this is a piss take...

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 23/12/2014 20:33

I read it as 500 per 12 months initially, but then thought 500 per each of 12 months is 500 for every month in a 12 month period. Now I'm not sure.

500 per year is ridiculous.

Blondebiker4685 · 23/12/2014 20:44

My thoughts are that sport should be essential and not optional as it helps create essential healthy habits for future health and work/life balance.

Secondly half terms are an essential break. Most of the children I know are utterly exhausted and on their knees by the time the break arrives. My children spend three or four days comatose recovering before we can start doing nice family orientated things. Having quality family time.

Lastly the curriculum seems imbalanced. Drama, Art etc are enriching and have a lot to offer. Making it optional is down playing their importance

Blondebiker4685 · 23/12/2014 20:52

Also such a school could appeal to very mathematical children, children with ASD and yes while it might get the best out of them mathematically/academically, it will be utterly lacking in areas these particular children often desperately need to develop. For me it would be a bit like sitting a computer games addict in front of a computer game all day every day. Yes his commuter games skills would improve but at what cost?

TeenAndTween · 23/12/2014 20:55

For example, a student gets up to speed in Maths in year 1, achieves an A or B by year 2 and, by year 3 they are ready to receive an A*/A and to sit additional Maths as well

This worries me. Maths is a cumulative subject. Unless you are doing massive selection there is no way you can expect to achieve this. And this is your subject!

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 23/12/2014 21:06

I was wondering how he was planning getting a child at level 3ish at the end of year 8 GCSE ready in 2 years, or even 3

ATruthUniversallyAcknowledged · 23/12/2014 21:23

Come on OP, come back and answer the questions.

Quitethewoodsman · 23/12/2014 22:04

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TooHasty · 23/12/2014 22:29

I think a lot of posteres on here could do with going to your school themselves OP as they seem to have difficulty reading. The OP says £300-500 PER MONTH not per term or per year!

TalkinPeace · 23/12/2014 22:32

Toohasty
£500 per month = £6000 per year assuming every month is charged
when actually schools are only open 195 teaching days per years
so nearer £4500 per year

which is less than a state school that has the economies of scale of a thousand pupils and 30 kids per class right through

DoctorDonnaNoble · 24/12/2014 00:07

£6 k a year won't work either!

saintlyjimjams · 24/12/2014 06:41

No thanks - no drama or sport? No half term? And what do you mean science experiments as extras? I have a very academic background but see arts, sport, being outdoors, music & drama as essential to a curriculum & education.

I taught in a similar school. It was a retake college & exam factory. It was brilliant for 19 year olds who had just missed out on medicine grades & needed to retake exams & needed a very concise, intense exam focussed course. It wasn't what I would call an education though.

ShipwreckedAndMerrilyComatose · 24/12/2014 08:18

Toohasty, I agree that's what it says. But it is not enough for setting up and running a school.

catslife · 24/12/2014 16:09

My dcs and most teachers like half terms. These are needed especially between Sept and Dec. Optional holiday activities would be acceptable.
Also a big No to compulsory school activities on Saturdays. This would be too much for staff and most pupils.
How long is it since you have been based in the UK OP? The narrow curriculum you suggest is now offered by most schools in the UK (state and private). You would need to offer academic subjects that most state schools in the area you choose don't offer and good extracurricular activities for parents to choose this as an option.
Setting up and equipping Science labs is expensive or are you offering iGCSE as you don't need any lab work for this qualification.
As stated by a previous poster, when setting up a new school (even if independent) the facilities and teaching will all need to be inspected by the DFE and OFSTED and you will also need to comply with H&S and Child Safeguarding procedures.

ReallyTired · 24/12/2014 18:15

Why don't you set up a tutoring/ cramming business. Lots of people would prepared make their children do maths at the weekend/ half term. Small group tutoring can be ver lucative. You would not have to worry about the touchy feels side of running a school. There will be more demand for maths coaching as children cannot drop maths until they have a GCSEs. Maybe you could find an English teacher to partner up with.

TalkinPeace · 24/12/2014 19:51

reallytired
Having been to a crammer, the market is somewhat crowded in that field Smile

Blondebiker4685 · 24/12/2014 20:19

The cheapest state school is about 8k per year

Blondebiker4685 · 24/12/2014 20:21

There's probably lots of potential to tutor home educated children in your area. Home ed is very popular these days in many areas

EvilTwins · 24/12/2014 21:37

I don't normally do this, but I wouldn't want to send my kids to a school with a head who makes spelling and grammar errors.

Sorry. Sounds utterly ridiculous.

HoHonutty · 28/12/2014 17:47

No half term and Saturday school, and no offence but it's successful and separately.

I can't help it, spelling is my thing.

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