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Mixed comp - Yr9 all boys English class for 'underachievers' - thoughts please

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Boysandme · 30/09/2014 15:59

DS1 goes to a standard mixed comp. Now in yr9, not all subjects are set but in those that have been last year and this year he has been top set for all. I suspect towards the bottom of the top set though.

He has made his targets in Maths, science etc but not English. At the end of yr8 he got 6b and his target was 6a. This showed a fair bit of progress at the end of yr 8 compared to yr7 (was level 5 in yr6 sats)

English is not officially set. However, this year they have decided to do an all boys English set. We have had no communication about this as parents. Last year another parent (now yr10) told me that top set boys were put together as a focus group as girls achieved better.

However, this year DS says that they have been told by the English teacher that they are all underachieving and so they have been put together. I have heard from another parent who has spoken directly to the teacher, that top boys and girls have been put in a set together, this class of male 'underachievers' and two other mixed classes in the 'house'. (House is 4 classes out of 10 in the year). This class seems to have levels down to 4a & 5c that I know of, DS at 6b and maybe higher levels too, I don't know?

DS has asked us if he can move classes as the behaviour is so bad and he can't learn. He says there are no other adults in the class apart from the class teacher, who he doesn't rate (not that that necessarily means he's not a good teacher, who knows?)

So, I am torn as part of me thinks 'great, they've spotted an issue and are trying to target these kids', the rest of me thinks that if they really are taking all the underachievers together, surely they should put some more support in the class and does have two whole levels of ability make sense?

Teacher when he spoke to the other parent admitted it was an experiment.

I want to find out more, but do any parents have experience / teachers have any tips of what I should be asking and whether this sounds normal/the right thing for them to be doing?

Thank you

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AtiaoftheJulii · 30/09/2014 17:26

I've heard of mixed schools doing single sex classes for some subjects - my dd2's school did it for a while for science, think she was y9 or 10. She was quite put out when they mixed them back up again the next year! So I think the theory is fine, but it doesn't sound like the practice in your son's case is working out brilliantly atm, and you'd be perfectly reasonable to ask them how this is supposed to be benefiting your son.

EvilTwins · 30/09/2014 18:40

I used to teach English and we did this - all students benefitted. At my current school, Maths has an all-girl set in yr 11.

I think you need to let it run for a bit - you only have your DS's word for what the teacher (who he doesn't rate) told him. Your DS IS underachieving, according to the information you've given, and how could you possibly know the levels of the other students?

If it were me, I'd give it a few weeks before deciding it's a bad idea.

Decorhate · 30/09/2014 20:18

I'd be tempted to phone up or email and ask for clarification as to how the classes are organised. 6B at the end of Y8 is pretty good. I wouldn't worry too much about the fact it's not a 6A. If they were setting for English that would put him in the top set in most non-selective comprehensives IMO

Boysandme · 01/10/2014 08:23

Thank you for responses. And sorry for my late reply, I was out last night without my phone.

eviltwins I know the levels of two other students in the class as I know their parents. I have no idea about the rest of the class though.

I don't have a problem with it being all boys per se, but I question the breadth of ability and what appears to be the lack of extra support. Surely you wouldn't stick 30 'underachievers' in one class without additional focused support or would you?

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EvilTwins · 01/10/2014 22:46

Depends if that support was available.

There may be a spread of ability, but extra support in lessons is often linked to SEN rather than ability.

Boysandme · 01/10/2014 22:51

Thanks eviltwins.

At the risk of outing myself the school has just announced ofsted in the next couple of days so I guess they'll have other priorities at the moment!

Will give it a few weeks and see how it's going.

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