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Harrisquery · 30/05/2014 12:29

Hi
Just wondered if anyone knows much about it. Is it still a bit haling manor like or has it moved on? Thanks.

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merlottime · 30/05/2014 18:56

Sorry, I don't know it, but will probably look round this autumn. There was some negative coverage of some Harris schools - not Purley - for seemingly dropping pupils off roll in the GCSE year - in the Guardian earlier this year, and the one in South Norwood is being investigated by Croydon LEA. The Harris schools in general seem to be popular and to have turned around schools with reputations, so it is worth a look.

Not sure that this helps - sorry - but for me i think I will just have to see whether i like the feel of the place and the teaching staff, and how this compares to the other schools that I might stand a chance of getting DC into based on distance.

Harrisquery · 30/05/2014 19:53

Thanks , merlot. Are you looking for sept. 2015 start?

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merlottime · 30/05/2014 19:57

yes - feeling the pressure already!

Everhopeful · 30/05/2014 21:12

We went to see it with DD and were very impressed. Fantastic new buildings and things are vastly improved on Haling Manor days. Slightly disappointed that only one language is offered (as far as I understood) and only time will tell if Lord Harris' retirement will impact the academies, as they've tended to be well-bankrolled up to now. I also wasn't completely confident that the excellent Head Teacher would stick around much past 2015, but that doesn't automatically mean standards will slip if she goes, it's simply a risk factor. I can't think of any other downsides to it, it all looked great to us.

Harrisquery · 30/05/2014 22:12

Thanks, ever hopeful. Not heard anything bad about it yet.

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Icimoi · 30/05/2014 22:33

Have a look at this

Harrisquery · 30/05/2014 22:49

Don't know much about academies but unless I'm missing something the linked doesn't have anything to put me off. Happy to be corrected though if I've just not read it properly.

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Icimoi · 30/05/2014 23:22

Well, there's this:

"Harris academies have two basic techniques to “improve” educational standards:

1, exclude pupils in the bottom 25 per cent of achievement, or who perhaps have English as a second-language, or have other issues with social deprivation. This is particularly effective, since it eliminates their results from any league table assessments. It does nothing for the education and life chances of a vast swathe of our teenagers, however.

2, Get as many pupils in the school as possible to take empty qualifications, things like BTecs in frisbee throwing, especially those “equivalents”, certificates that count for two, three or even four GCSEs, because this helps bolster the academy’s rating on the league tables. What it does not do is equip those youngsters with the sort of meaningful or useful qualifications that they can present to potential employers."

And this:

"Take Harris South Norwood as another example. In 2011, 75 per cent of pupils attained five or more A-C GCSEs or equivalents, including maths and English – the third best of all Croydon’s state schools.

But if you take the “equivalents”, that is the non-GCSE qualifications, out of the results, then only 46 per cent of pupils achieved the magic goal of five or more GCSEs at A to C grade, seeing the academy plummet to 15th of Croydon’s 22 state schools. Hardly a paragon of achievement after all.

The South Norwood school roll makes for worrying reading, too. At a school where the yearly intake should be around 200, at the end of Key Stage 4 (for 14 to 16-year-olds, those sitting GCSEs), for the years 2008, 2009 and 2010, there were only 105, 91 and 95 pupils. In a borough with a chronic lack of school places, where had all the Harris Academy’s pupils gone?

In 2009-2010, South Norwood had the highest number of permanent exclusions in Croydon."

Icimoi · 30/05/2014 23:23

Don't assume your dc won't be amongst the excluded. If they have any sort of problem and look like denting the league table stats, out they go.

Harrisquery · 30/05/2014 23:39

I have heard they have zero tolerance on behaviour. No idea how dd's behaviour will be in years to come but academically she is doing well so should be on track for good gcses. Trouble is unless we go private ( not a possibility) there isn't a choice regardless of the school's ethics.

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blueemerald · 30/05/2014 23:48

As a teacher I wouldn't touch any Harris academy with a 50 ft barge pole. I know teachers who work there and they are worked to the bone and if your child is in the bottom set (and doesn't get excluded) they spend nearly all their time doing maths and English and forget other subjects (this may change with the progress 8; by change I mean more kids being moved)

merlottime · 31/05/2014 08:32

Blue emerald - what is the progress 8 (showing my ignorance here?)

Harrisquery · 31/05/2014 09:39

Yes, what is progress 8?

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Everhopeful · 02/06/2014 15:59

Well, all I can say is I liked the place! I know they aren't for everyone and I wasn't sure if DD would fit there so well when it came down to it, but we heard from some of the kids who reckoned the school had got them focused properly for the first time ever. You just have to see places and go with your instincts really. As for Progress 8, a handy fact file:
www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/285990/P8_factsheet.pdf

Harrisquery · 02/06/2014 21:19

Thanks, ever hopeful.

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