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Can anybody talk to me about being a bursar.

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rasrub · 20/05/2014 08:16

I want to apply for a bursar / business manager job at a Secondary school which is an Academy. They have said that we can visit the school before we put in our applications but I want some insight into what the job is really like so I can use the visit to its best advantage. I have a background in Finance but not Education.

Is anybody a bursar: what are the best and worst bits. Which bits are most challenging.
Is anybody a Governor or HeadTeacher who might appoint a bursar: what attributes are you looking for.
Any other stakeholders (eg teachers, parents): is there any improvement that you wish your go-getting, proactive bursar would introduce.

Any comments gratefully received.

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80sMum · 20/05/2014 08:28

I am an assistant bursar. You will need to be a 'jack of all trades'. Basically, the Bursar is responsible for the management of everything that is not directly related to the actual education of the children, eg health & safety; fire safety; HR, financial management; facilities management etc. You need to be a good organiser, calm under pressure etc.
There is a book about being a bursar, written by the former chairman of the ISBA (independent schools bursars association). You can find it on Amazon.
Obviously there are differences between state and private sector but you may find it useful.

hatsybatsy · 20/05/2014 10:23

I'm someone 'in finance' who appliued for several bursar roles - only to find that people with a more general business (or education ) background got the roles.

Just finance doesn't really cut it - as 80smum says, you need HR, IT, estates management. It was quite disappointing at the time, but as a relatively senior finance professional, the move just wasn't feasible for me.

rasrub · 20/05/2014 19:33

Thanks for the suggestions so far. sneaky bump for the evening crowd

I've reserved a book from the Library and found some websites to peruse. I work in the SME sector where you have to do all the admin that nobody else wants so I'll write my CV to highlight the 'jack of all trades' angle.

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HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 20/05/2014 19:40

Look at

Independent Schools Bursars Association

and

National Association of School Business Managers

I'm a Bursar (albeit independent sector and a primary school, so different to what you are contemplating) & love it. Never in a million years ever imagined I would be working in a school. Quite family friendly but be prepared - you do NOT get school holidays!

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 20/05/2014 19:42

I'm a chartered accountant with previous experience of being the FD / CFO of a fairly substantial charity (famous performing arts organisation).

AnaYorks · 20/05/2014 20:23

I'm the SBM of a secondary academy. The best bits are the sheer variety of my role - never moment to be bored and always something else to think about. i have never worked so hard, but love my job. There are tough days, and sometimes it's hard being the bad guy all the time (being a SBM will not make you popular if you are making tough decisions about expenditure), but I wouldn't give up my job for anyone. The challenges are balancing all the competing priorities, trying to make time to be strategic (rather than getting bogged down in the operational), and getting teachers to comply with financial procedures (often like herding cats).

I second what has been said above - in my school, versatility, the ability to handle competing demands under pressure, and a willingness to do what it takes to get the job done is absolutely paramount (including, in my case, brandishing cleaning cloths alongside my cleaning team to get new classrooms ready the day before term started). In my school we do whatever it takes for the kids - after all, that is why we are there.

Finance is only a part of what I do - the role can encompass everything 80smum mentions, but how far in each area depends on the school (and, more particularly, the headteacher). You need to know where the strengths are already - so, for example, when I applied for my job I knew there was a strong HR officer for the school, so didn't need to show indepth knowledge of HR, but H&S management was a weakness, so I used that to my advantage. Use the visit to scope these things out if you don't know the school already.

One of the most important skills is knowing a little about a lot - being able to assimilate information quickly and become a temporary expert (or at least talk knowledgeably) with professionals from different areas of expertise (accountants, lawyers, gas engineers, unions etc). Did I know everything there was to know about asbestos management/solenoid valves/accruals/Burgundy book before I started the job? Nope. Did I rapidly learn more than I ever thought I wanted to know about these things, to the point of being able to talk to the relevant people about them? Hell yes.

In some organisations (academy chains particularly) being an accountant is a way of filtering candidates for the SBM and - increasingly - FD roles, but it isn't the be-all and end-all. It really depends on the type of school - mine is quite forward thinking and was open to someone without an accountancy background in the role because their finance function was reasonably strong anyway, so other things became more important.

Oh, and don't take the job because you want school holidays off! This summer will be the first time since I started we haven't had major building work taking place...

MaybeMaybeNotJ · 24/07/2021 10:59

Hi sorry to wake this thread up. But I’m in a school as a Jack of all trades handling a bit of everything and I’m trying to carve myself into a bursar.
Can anyone recommend finance training? I’ve worked on invoices etc for years but have no formal training. What would you say I need? Thank you!

ChnandlerBong · 24/07/2021 19:13

I'm a Chartered Accountant with 15 years PQE - but that background wasn't what any of the schools were looking for. they want someone more general who has experience of HR / IT / Facilities management/ treasury / communications/ Director level experience / depending on the school and the role!

So after a couple of years looking I gave up... only ever got one interview.

The point about it being a full time job is key too - no long holidays for non teaching staff!

Donationwitheverypack · 24/07/2021 19:34

I'm a business manager in a secondary school. Finance is a tiny part of my job. I spend much more time on managing the premises, health and safety and HR. I have a large team of my own to manage and lead on HR for the whole staff. Life would be easy if it weren't for the staff...

I do actually have a finance background myself, but I learned this "trade" via a junior admin position in a primary school and then business manager in a small infant school, plus a L5 school business professional qualification.

If all you bring is finance, I think you'll be very lucky to get an interview for one of the well paid large academy jobs.

MaybeMaybeNotJ · 24/07/2021 20:53

Thank you both
I’m an office all rounder with marketing, sales and office coordinator experience. I also took a junior admin role a year ago but have taken on a lot of premises, medical, purchasing and it’s starting to get a little into HR too.
So that’s brilliant to know about finance not being the main factor, thank you.
Funnily enough my head has just sent a link to a school business manager courses which seems to cover a bit of everything.

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