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Eton pre-assesment. When would it be for a ds born in Feb 2004? Will it be in 2014 or 2015? Thank u in advance.

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Immenselygrateful · 27/04/2014 19:45

On the eton website, it is stated that the assessment "takes place during Year 6 (in UK school years), close to the boy’s 11th birthday. Boys born September to February are assessed in the autumn term, and boys with March to August birthdays in the summer term."

I need your help with interpreting this for me. My ds was born in Feb 2004. Would he then be assessed in the autumn term of 2014 or 2015?

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BobTheFly · 27/04/2014 19:49

2014

Immenselygrateful · 27/04/2014 19:53

Thank you Bob.
Wow..that may be a little late for us to prepare then..especcially since we are overseas and not in school following the UK curriculum!

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ZeroSomeGameThingy · 27/04/2014 20:19

I wouldn't have said there was very much you could do to "prepare"..... It's an "assessment" based on innate ability rather than an "exam" based on having covered a curriculum.

You will obviously need to make sure he is registered before he is 10 and a half. And be fairly confident that he will receive an enthusiastic report from his Head Teacher. Any excessive coaching might not be to your child's advantage.

Immenselygrateful · 27/04/2014 21:02

Oh..ok! That is some good news ZeroSomeGame Thingy ( how does one tag someone?). I thought there is a lot of preparation is done...mostly by use of tutors, isn't it? I have read a number of posts on tutoring or preparing cdc for 11 + exams and entrance exams to selective schools etc.

I am quite green in this!
Thanks for the help. I appreciate it very much

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Immenselygrateful · 27/04/2014 21:04

He is already registered. ..

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Immenselygrateful · 27/04/2014 21:09

I have read the guidelines again. I was clearly confusing the assessment with the scholarship exams! Now I get it.
Thanks again.

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ZeroSomeGameThingy · 27/04/2014 21:22

If you can say a little more about your particular situation and how and where he is being educated at the moment people might be able to offer more specific advice....

The pre-assessment exam really isn't like 11+ or entrance exams. (I obviously haven't taken it myself and my spy-in-the-house-of-pre-test could hardly remember anything when he came out...) But, honestly, if your Ds has the right sort of ability he shouldn't require any more tutoring than home and school. It doesn't sound as if he's at a school that regularly sends boys for the test - but I'm sure at least half (if not more) of prospective parents are new to the process.

Have you visited the school? (Mumsnet on the whole is rather scathing about the Open Days but you do then get first hand information. (I guess you may have missed that?) And what sort of boy is your DS?

ZeroSomeGameThingy · 27/04/2014 21:24

Ah! Cross posted. It will be a while until you need to worry about the KS...

Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 06:55

We are overseas. In Uganda to be particular. Unfortunately, my DS is in a school which has never sent a boy to Eton ( and where the headmaster doesn't understand why one would send a boy to board in the UK at that age :-(. So I am just praying for a good recommendation).

We have not yet visited the school, but we will be visiting Harrow and Whitgift in Sept. So I am going to inquire from Eton whether we can visit during the same time ( there is no information at all on the website about the open days, only that visiting the school can be arranged etc).

To be sincere, I don't even know if this is the best school for ds but he is hellbent on it. My eyes are more on Harrow ( which I also don't know if it is a good fit either). You see ds is bright but not stellar, he is not sporty and has never been exposed to any musical instrument. He is academic but also a day dreamer who needs serious pushing. He likes to have fun and to be continually appreciated or praised verbally. The moment he is left to himself, he is gone ( to his day dreams). So I wonder if we are looking at the suitable schools or not! I am particularly interested in full boarding or majority-in-over-the-weekend type of sch.

Any advice received will be highly appreciated.

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Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 07:06

My current ds's school is following the local curriculum. So, apart from Maths which appears to be the same, he does not have any idea of what he is expected to know by this age in UK. I am looking into buying lots of bond books and any other practice tests for preparing him myself ( can't afford an online tutor yet) for the scholarship exams. I am glad they are not so soon.

What kind of worried me ( and makes me ask about tutoring) was a thread I read here and to which one of the responses was "Hi Kippers2. Can't help with specifics but does your son already have a tutor helping prepare for the exams? The reason I ask is that they may be well placed to answer these questions for you.

If you don't already have a tutor, now would be a good time to get one as preps. heavily prepare children for the likes of Eton and competition is going to be tough."

So, how do you advise ( please?) that I can prepare this boy for the Eton assesment? What do they ask in the interviews? Do you have a clue of what he is expected to know or do?

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peteneras · 28/04/2014 08:04

I want to know firstly, why is he hellbent on going to Eton. How much does he know about Eton; how did he come to know about Eton presumably he was born in Uganda and is only 10 years old now.

Unless his character changes dramatically in the next three or so years, I’m a bit concerned he may find Eton a bit out of his depth.

Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 08:30

He knows about it from the stories I tell him and his brother about it and about the prime ministers etc who went there. I tell them about these schools and universities like Oxbridge and Harvard, to inspire them to think beyond Uganda. I know we are Eton-wannabes..but we still wanna try!

Peteneras, I have read many posts of yours on Eton related threads. I assume you have lots of experience with this school. Could you kindly tell me what happens inside the classrooms? Do they push the dcs or do they require them to have the self discpline of university goers when it comes to school work etc? How exactly do they teach? Why do you think ds will find it out of his depth? ..too many qns...

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ZeroSomeGameThingy · 28/04/2014 08:36

Yes, I think visiting the place is a priority - with your son of course. If I remember correctly (no guarantee of that) you will have missed the allocated tour days for his age, so you'll need to get in touch yourself. What they say is that a tour can be arranged to take place at the same time as pre-assessment.

But, long before September you need to establish exactly which entrance route your DS would take; ie would he be considered a prep school or state school candidate or something else entirely. From what you say you clearly haven't yet discussed this with them - it needs clarifying and only they can do that.

So please forget about Common Entrance and KS preparation for now. Find out from the Admissions dept exactly which entrance exams he would be expected to take.

Outside of that - I'm curious to know what the impetus is... Why do you want him to go? If you've been able to watch the latest CBBC TV programmes about the school you'll know that the boys' own determination is an important factor. That's a different thing to daydreaming....

And if he's determined then perhaps by now he ought to be keener on grasping any sporting opportunities that are available?

Also - I am assuming you can pay fees? I ask because you don't suggest he is KS standard (who knows) and even with a large bursary, if you qualified for one, the expense from Uganda would be immense. So - if you're not living in abject poverty (sorry to be blunt) why isn't he playing any instruments? (I'm familiar with the continent you live on, surely there's no shortage of pianos...)

It isn't enough to want to go. Say he passes the pre-test (with no conversation about music or sport...) and passes CE or the state school entrance exam. How is he going to spend his time there? It's a school that very much emphasises extra-curricular activities. Does he have any other hobbies or interests? A) to make him an attractive candidate and B) to give him a good time while he's there.

Too long! Sorry. Phone / email them!

ZeroSomeGameThingy · 28/04/2014 08:49

X posted! Without wishing to be rude to the OP I would imagine that both Eton and Harrow are primed for a huge increase in interest following their respective TV series.

Its perfectly reasonable to assume that a fair proportion of those boys will have the capability to be serious candidates.

Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 08:59

No you are not being rude or anything. I also appreciate your bluntness. I think I need a reality check.
Thanks for the responses ZeroSome.

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Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 09:46

Ds is a good chess player. I wonder if that would make him an attractive candidate.

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ZeroSomeGameThingy · 28/04/2014 10:03

Can I say a little more about sport?

You say your 10 year old very much wants to go? He's perfectly capable of reading and understanding the website. Surely he can see endless photos of boys in boats, on playing fields, in the pool...

You need to explain to him that

  1. the boys work extremely hard and any sport is a welcome relaxation, even if played very competitively.

  2. Team sport is considered to be character building. It is totally built into a prep school curriculum - so those boys go up to public school with a layer (or core? Dunno....) of resilience, fitness and enthusiasm for competition that is difficult to acquire later. Individual sports bring their own benefits in the way of concentration, perseverance, pride in doing something well...

  3. Given all the above, a boy who completely turns his back on sport will find himself exceptionally lonely during his time there. They would need to be very actively engaged in something else....

Such as music. Or theatre. Or even politics.

I asked about your impetus for choosing the schools you mentioned. What do you want from a school - other than a shot at becoming Prime Minister? Do you think your DS is a competitive soul? Is he gregarious? At least averagely emotionally tough?

Most importantly why do you want him to be educated in England.? Not a generic response - what is the specific advantage to your child? And why these particular schools?

Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 11:05

first, why do I want ds to be educated in England?

  • I want him to learn and hence have a great work ethic, from a young age. The problem, and the reason why Uganda is not developing fast is mainly to do with the work ethic of our people. I also had to visit countries like UK to understand the concept of time management and all other things that determine the work ethic level of a person. I still struggle with this and I believe it is because it is a ' forced concept' to me ( since I didn't learn it since I was a child). I believe ds will easily develop the work ethic required to be successful in life if he is exposed to it from an early age..and I think he will get this by attending a highly competitive school in a fast paced society/country. That is why, even though I can afford to, I am not planning on putting him in an international sch in Uganda. In my culture there is a saying that means ( when loosely translated) that if a crop stem bends in the early stages of the crop formation, if you try to straighten it later it just breaks. I don't want my dc to bend towards poor work habits ( like I did) in their formative years.

The reason I chose those schools is their highly competitive nature. I believe if my son is exposed to such rigor, he will style up ( for a lack of a better word). He is very bright but he only performs outstandingly if pushed. I don't believe a soft fun oriented sch will make him the 'style up'. I believe he needs, not to change his personality, but to learn self discipline. Thee is no place for slackers in tomorrow's world.

He is gregarious but not so emotionally tough. He wants everyone to be his friend and becomes really sad if excluded. He is also prone to bullying ( he is the one who complains most about being bullied whenever he changes schs). He is averagely competitive, especcially if the timeline is short. He is not the kind who focuses to achieve a goal in the far future. And all these are things I wish he could learn...the more reason to be in a place where other kids are that way ( maybe it could rub off him?)

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Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 11:16

I am going to enrol him in a football academy and for swimming lessons.

I forgot to add that I want him to attend a full boarding school for obvious reasons.
I don't know the pros and cons of co-ed but if there is a good code sch with full boarding or where most boarders stay over the weekend, I would like to know about it.
Please help and recommend any schs to me. I really need a very academic sch, not necessarily a hot houses one like the Etons..but where at least the students are not left to themselves a lot of the time!

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ZeroSomeGameThingy · 28/04/2014 11:22

That sounds reasonable.

(Although I think the entire continent of Africa would have good reason to feel a little insulted....)

Your Ds needs to start competing in his own school now. Most 10 year olds don't have long term goals - but it is a particularly receptive age. He needs to try his best at everything, not just chess.

Is he reading a lot?

Immenselygrateful · 28/04/2014 11:34

Smile.
Going in for a dr's appointment now. Will respond later.
Thx

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peteneras · 28/04/2014 11:35

Immense, I am always encouraging people to try for Eton as I’m convinced it is arguably the greatest school in the world. I hasten to add it does not mean other schools are inferior, it’s just that Eton ticks all my boxes and idea of a great school. The teaching and facilities it offer the boys are second to none. In fact, the whole Eton environment is perfectly conducive to learning.

I clearly remember during my interview (parent) with the Head Master some twelve years ago, I was asked why did I pick Eton for my son. I replied that I understood the teaching was great and I knew the facilities it offered were ‘out of this world’. The impassive look on the Head’s face when he starred back at me seemed to say, ‘You ain’t seen nothing yet’. Years later, I discovered he was of course right.

The great thing about Eton is that the School NEVER tells the boys what its past pupils had achieved in life or what is expected of them when they finally leave. The boys who are there would have already known what great men had passed through those same gates of the School. Rather like you telling your sons now about Eton, they would have learnt from various sources of the many great achievements of Old Etonians. And I’m not talking only about prime ministers. Etonians are therefore, highly inspired. They know that it is perfectly possible for them to achieve similarly, be it in politics, business, science, journalism, entertainment, the judiciary, the armed forces, the lot really.

From high inspirations come high competition. Etonians will compete in anything and everything. The School encourages this competitive mindset. Often, prizes and rewards are given to winners but non-winners are given a pat on the back, so to speak, for competing and are encouraged to try even harder next time. So it is perfectly normal that you win some and you lose some and boys take both winning and losing with equal measures.

Boys therefore, need to work hard under their own steam lots of the time because they know competition will come from the most unexpected corners. They cannot rest on their laurels. The teachers (Masters) are there in the classroom and outside it to offer help and advice. Almost all Masters live in the school and its surroundings. Classes are small compared to state schools, of course. In the higher forms, sometimes as small as 4 or 5 boys according to subject taken. Boys are treated with respect as young adults and they are streamed according to ability. EW (homework) is often set and is expected to be handed in on time. Equally, the work is marked and returned to boys by Masters within 24 - 36 hours to indicate seriousness and respect for boys’ work. Again, good work is rewarded with a ‘Show-Up’. Yes, the whole teaching style is more akin to a university and it requires tremendous self-discipline on the part of the boy. University life later on will be second nature to an Old Etonian.

On the basis that you said your DS is quite laid back, needs lots of pushing, not sporty, never encountered a musical instrument, etc. he would be totally sunk at Eton I’m afraid. Not too different at Harrow or any of the major public schools too, sorry to say. Better be blunt and face the reality than to give you false hope to lead you nowhere. But again, your DS is only 10 years old, what do you expect? He can CERTAINLY change within the next couple or so years to be a strong candidate for Eton by taking up sports, have more self-discipline, be more inspired and the desire to achieve. Good chess is definitely a plus but Eton isn’t too hot on chess. Parents can do wonders to influence a child to do all the above. Perhaps you might want to contemplate how you may help?

ZeroSomeGameThingy · 28/04/2014 11:46

Interesting post! Though the HM definitely isn't interviewing parents these days!

peteneras · 28/04/2014 12:06

He will does - for major scholarship boys e.g. New Foundation Scholarship now; Junior Scholarship then.

ZeroSomeGameThingy · 28/04/2014 12:09

You don't mention KS?

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