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Shocked by what came home with ds1 today.....

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NotAnOtter · 08/07/2006 22:41

A piece of A4 paper detailing every subject across the top and the score each by got in each subject in the exam...
On the reverse side the effort grades in the same format ...each boy/ each subject

On the end of each line is the boys position in the class again for effort and attainment.

I could therefore look and see how each child did in each subject - how hard they tried and their position in the class of 25 for both effort and attainment

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HRHQueenOfQuotes · 10/07/2006 20:03

Blimey I'd definitely complain - even in "1950's" style school in Zimbabwe where reports were very largely based on "position" in the class (top 3 went "up" bottom 3 went "down" in the classes) we never revealed other pupils results to anyone other than their own parents!

Beetroot · 10/07/2006 20:07

ds was told what position he came in his class after his exams. But not where everyone else was

harpsichordcarrier · 10/07/2006 20:08

seriously, what IS the difference between this and sports day?

snorkle · 10/07/2006 20:28

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Tortington · 10/07/2006 20:48

i think this is completely fucking abhorant. i really really do.

in this scenario my twins - girl would be top three boy would be last

becuase they each have a different skill set. she is academic - he isn't

he lacks onfidence becuase she is miss know it all "i am the best at everything" girl

how will this affect the children - i think its bullying and so very wrong i cant tell you.

Greensleeves · 10/07/2006 20:50

That's really offensive I'm afraid. I would be kicking up an almighty stink.

Greensleeves · 10/07/2006 20:51

It is bullying. Institutionalised bullying.

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NotAnOtter · 10/07/2006 20:53

strangely enough i just asked him if anyone complained and he said no. Should I ? I moaned that racism seemed to go unnoticed only a few weeks ago ....

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NotAnOtter · 10/07/2006 20:55

I DID ask him 'why' they went out like this and he did not know....

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Gobbledigook · 10/07/2006 20:57

I agree with custy - I know ds1 would be up at the top (at least in the areas I know about) but I would still feel incredibly uncomfortable with everyone seeing that. I think it's horrible for the children. How old are they NAO?

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NotAnOtter · 10/07/2006 21:00

mostly 14 ds13

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Blandmum · 10/07/2006 21:00

The school I work in gives the mark in the exam result. We also give grades for attitude to work and if the child is makeing the expected progress. We never give position in class, to either the child or the parent.....let alone the position of other children.

Very odd.

My kids school give the child's result and the class average, grades for effort and attainment and nothing else.

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NotAnOtter · 10/07/2006 21:02

i am thinking that its probably ds's form tutor and NOT school policy - cant believe it can be - although very 'old school' in many many ways

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harpsichordcarrier · 10/07/2006 23:21

sorry to harp on but in sport's day surely you can see who comes last or whatever.
so I don't really see the difference.

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NotAnOtter · 10/07/2006 23:23

i do always say that harpsi - i said it on a thread with cod the other day - its ok to watch and reward at sports day.

said ds would be in bottom group then
and has been - poor lamb!

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Spatz · 10/07/2006 23:26

Why is everyone so horrified by this and not all by my poor little 5yr olds humiliated on sports day?
I also think this is shocking!

Tortington · 11/07/2006 08:02

you shouldnt compare the two.

the likley hood of running fast getting you a decent job is quite slim although there are some jobs am sure.

sports is competetive.

the day was structured badly with fuckwit teachers not thinking it through properly enough to give less abled children more encouragement to enjoy sport even if they are not goood at it.

maths on the other hand is not competetive - one child is not competing againt the other - they are supposed to be doing as best as they are able.

if one child is not as able as the other then this serves to do nothing than to humiliate the child.

this serves no purpose and i would be royally fucked off

shewhoneverdusts · 11/07/2006 09:43

Maths is truly competitive in dd's set. They are told in front of everyone their marks and obviously someone has the lowest mark, usually my dd. This time when they gave out the sats results she was sitting there absolutely terrified (her surname is 3rd from last in the register) for ages hearin all the others getting 8s and 7s and eventually the teacher got to her and said "F... you got a 7". The girls in the set do compete even at this to beat each other and getting really stroppy when others get higher than they do. I think it is unhealthy.

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NotAnOtter · 11/07/2006 09:52

i must say i felt unwell wwhen ds1 came 3rd from last in 1500 metres and the waved at me!!! the lady next to be daughter won and it was a 60 child race...

i am not defending what the school did - it\was out of order- but it is acceptable to shout about other achievements - not so academic ones

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SoupDragon · 11/07/2006 09:58

Competition is healthy.

But this isn't really competition as such, it's having something rammed down your throat. If, for example, sports day is handled properly it doesn't single out individual losers and winners - both my primary and secondary sports days were house competitions. Yes, there were individual winners/losers in a race but the only prize was for the winning house. Competition without making a huge deal of winning/losing individually.

Coming home with something like the other children's school reports is just wrong.

titchy · 11/07/2006 09:59

I'm fairly sure this is illegal under the Data Protection Act. Each child's parent would have had to give permission for their result to be in the public domain - presumably no-one has given permission? I'd go in guns ablazing!

shewhoneverdusts · 11/07/2006 10:04

I totally agree with you soupdragon, competition is healthy. Children do need to learn that they won't always win or be the best, but as you say this is a totally different thing. I would complain, I have let my dds school kmow that I don't agree with the reading out of results and am waiting for some feedback.

southeastastra · 11/07/2006 10:05

the difference is everyone can see the results on sports day

zippitippitoes · 11/07/2006 10:06

It must be a private school? Did everyone have or did he pick it up off the photocopier?

singersgirl · 11/07/2006 12:56

I think it's shocking. In my brother's school they used to get class places on their reports (3/25 or whatever) and grades for effort/attainment, but never anybody else's grades. My school never did any of this 'ranking', thank goodness.

I don't much like sports day, but do think it's a bit different. You know you're just seeing a snapshot of sporting performance, and besides winners and last placers, no-one really notices where all the others finish. But for grades for effort and attainment all year in all subjects to be scrutinised by everyone else is appalling.

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