Sunday Times

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Hi

Can someone be very kind and post the top 100 London secondary schools the ST has just listed , very interested in state vs private. But cannot get through the firewall.d

me too please!

Actually it's a paywall as opposed to a firewall :)

Sorry pay wall , many thanks

Is this top schools for 2012 or 2013? Was it in the paper last weekend?

I think it's available on The Telegraph and Independent websites too - or are the criteria for their Top 100s different?

Is this the one which skews the A Levels and doesn't include 'soft' subjects such as Art?

Well, DS's school scored very highly in the GCSEs League Table last year but a lot less well for A Levels....Presumably these tables are a bit like the SATS ones at primary schools - they tell you as much about the intelligence of the cohort as they do about the relative quality of the school? Or am I over-simplifying matters? I take it one would need to look at the last ten years to really get any idea of a particular school's merits/shortfalls....

No I think the ST list is bespoke and regional. I am very interested in London , how state schools such as St Olaves and Wilson shape up

Yes g was in the paper last week as an article but the full list is on the ST site

rankings.ft.com/secondary-schools/secondary-schools-2012?sortcol=23031&sortdir=asc&fields=23031%7C23081%7C23101%7C23111%7C23121%7C23201%7C23221%7C23271

This one is from the Financial Times and has more detailed information and stats. It isn't behind a paywall

2013 league table data is not released till January

self reported tables (which are pretty unreliable) appear at the end of August

NB v v v hard to compare state schools with private due to differing entry criteria

Talkin Indeed. The FT makey-uppy table is particularly unreliable. It is designed to provide 'evidence' that posh schools are best. The government produced tables are much better (and there aren't many things where I would say the government version is better than an independent one. There's a reason why 'close enough for government work' is a hackneyed old saying. But in this case, it's the FT that is close enough for government work and the government that are actually, you know, true and fair).

I hate that the Sunday times calls them 'the best schools'.
No, they're the schools with the best results. Very different thing.

They all use slightly different criteria so are indeed in that sense Makey uppy. The ft says it judges only on core subjects which means it excludes points gained for general studies, possible crit thinking and certain subjects sometimes called soft. The government gives a number of points scored on all subjects as it does not discriminate against certain subjects. Whichever you look at it is worth informing yourself of this and noticing that there can be considerable variation in positions. It is funny when people talk as if school 6 is better than school 16.