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OFQUAL have spoken.

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magentadreamer · 31/08/2012 16:39

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-19438536

Not suprised with their findings. Grade boundaries stand but a resit in November is offered. Unable to read full report as ofqual site has crashed.

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warwick1 · 12/09/2012 10:20

Having read all the arguments I still find it amazing that given that the January boundaries have been accepted by all as generous (and wrong) that 'in the name of fairness', the correct June grades should be re-graded upwards. If OFQUAL sucumbs to the bullying and political pressure what will we be teaching our children - certainly not a lesson in 'fairness' or 'honesty'. Fairness would be to regrade the January grades down, although I understand that because of the smaller student numbers involved and the time period it would be rather cruel. Leaving things as they are means most students have been been treated the same. Hopefully next year when the exam system is further stiffened and grade inflation reduced still further schools/academies will have taken this into account and raised their own performance rather than teach to the C/D borderline and rely on grade inflation for their league table performance.

glaurung · 12/09/2012 12:45

I agree with warwick unless the June papers were in fact marked over harshly to compensate for the Jan ones as some people (not Ofqual) believe. If that is the case, they should be marked up to the level that would have been right if all papers had been marked to the same toughness.

The Welsh board situation is bizzare. Clearly if the Welsh want to regulate their own grades they must have their own board - ie: all Welsh schools and no English ones should use their own board.

glaurung · 12/09/2012 13:00

nobel, in science ISAs the grade boundaries for the same work go up as the teachers get better at teaching them. The same would probably be true for English.

For example, in science a student does a practical & answers questions on it. The teacher sees the common errors that come up in the answers and next time focusses teaching prior to the test on those areas of difficulty to ensure students are better prepared and so the next cohort achieves higher and the grade boundaries rise for the same test. As teachers get used to delivering the controlled assessments they will probably get better results (nothing to do with the students abilities), so there is a commonly accepted feeling that grade boundaries at the beginning of a specification/CA probably should be a bit lower. I agree some of the English rises do seem overly dramatic this time, but it's not wrong for some rise to occur.

I do think a return to linear assessments is a good idea in the light of all the issues this has raised - it would make levelling exams far more likely to be equitable. I'd also like to see far fewer controlled assessments (and a correspondingly smaller exam weighting attached to them) as they are open to abuse imo.

noblegiraffe · 12/09/2012 13:06

GCSEs are supposed to be criterion referenced so if a student produces a better piece of work because his teacher has more experience at teaching it it is bonkers that he should get the same grade as a student who wasn't taught as well so was marked more leniently.

Teachers change syllabuses and pick up new courses all the time, there's no leeway given on their grades just because the course is new to them.

noblegiraffe · 12/09/2012 13:16

The problem would also seem to be that reasonable grade boundaries were set that were believed to be fair, then Ofqual leaned on exam boards to change them to artificially lower the pass rate.

Restricting people's success at GCSE based on their achievement at KS2 (which Ofqual demanded) goes completely against what Ofsted says which is that expectations should not be lower simply because KS2 results are lower. Hence the floor targets they've implemented.

glaurung · 12/09/2012 13:48

GCSEs aren't criterion referenced any more nobel - they use comparable outcomes instead which is more akin to the old system.

glaurung · 12/09/2012 13:53

I can't say I'm a big fan of using KS2 results to set the GCSE levels either - there's nothing to say they were set at exactly the same level year on year either after all. But it only applies at a cohort level - individuals can still do better (or worse) than predicted, so a low KS2 result for an individual shouldn't be limiting expectations although I suspect it always has done to some extent.

noblegiraffe · 12/09/2012 13:55

I understand the comparable outcomes thing but I didn't think criterion referencing had been completely abolished. How has this major change which essentially changes how GCSE works not been more widely publicised? In maths certainly no one has told us that the grade descriptors (e.g. Quadratic formula is an A* skill) no longer apply.

noblegiraffe · 12/09/2012 13:57

But given the new floor targets and the pressure to achieve them surely the expectation should be that grades will rise overall? If not, you are dooming teachers and schools to fail before they've even started teaching!

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riddlesgalore · 02/11/2012 17:21

My friend had all her marking adjusted by her head of department. The excuse was that she had adhered too closely to the marking criteria of the examination board. As a result every pupil went up at least 1 grade!! External, independent moderation is a must. The schools cannot moderate themselves in order to fudge their standings in the league tables. It seems crazy that a teacher should be allowed to mark their own students work. How can that ever be unbiased?

Hopefully out of all this someone has the sense to set one examination per GCSE subject, for the whole country, with a fixed, rigid marking scheme - and a reduction in the amount of coursework

gingeroots · 03/11/2012 18:04

I don't pretend to understand everything about this but have heard a HT in Leeds talking on Friday ( 2 Nov ) Today show BBC 4 .

He says that the exam boards and OFQAL are at fault .
He gives an example ( which he says not addressed in recent OFQAL report ) of AQA English Foundation where in Jan2012 37% ( I presume of total sitting that exam at that time ) achieved C grade while in June it fell to 10.2%.

He says OFQAL had decided on a finite number to achieve C grades and that they simply didn't monitor the Jan ( or the previous summer ) exam .

I would be interested to hear what people think about this .

There were 2 slots on the programme dealing with this
one at 1.09.15 ( from OFQAL ) tho this seemed to deal with teachers "optimistically" marking
and the second at 2.38.15 .
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01nl9wl/Today_02_11_2012/

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz · 04/11/2012 01:44

If GCSE results were based on KS2 results, my DD would still be predicted a 'U' in Maths. Instead she is on the boundary of gaining a 'D', which is her current estimated grade, 1/2 a term into Y10. If she continues at the rate age is going, her teacher thinks she should be aiming for a 'C '. But he can't put that as her predicted grade, because her KS2 results mean it is unachievable. Apparently.

Which is poo, quite frankly. Because there is such a thing as a late bloomer.

DD left Y6 not knowing her number bonds to 10, still working on p-scales. Just over 3 years later, and she is working her socks off trying to drag her grade up to a 'C' for college entry.

Anything is possible. Yet they want to base GCSE predictions on KS2 results.

My DD has also, after just 2 weeks in Y10, been switched to the lower tier of triple science, rather than double science, as the school now think that she can easily get a 'C' in triple, and maybe even a 'B'.

It just frustrates me that the education system wishes to write off children at 11, based on SATS tests. Rather than do what DD's school does, and give these DC's extra help, pulling them up to meet their full potential.

Can't get my head around WHY KS2 results need to figure into GCSE predictions, when GCSE's are exams that are taken 4-5 years later, and some DC's can mature and change immensely during that time.

gingeroots · 04/11/2012 09:53

Spot on CouthyMow and noblegiraffe .

I'm glad I'm not a teacher .

TimeChild · 04/11/2012 21:06

It is a scandal that norm referencing has been let in by the back door. The main reason as far as I can see is that DFEE/OFQUAL whoever with control has bowed to popular pressure that GCSE grades are too high. They can't control the grades if using criterion based marking (which was the whole point of GCSEs when they were introduced) so hence the use of comparable outcomes.

CouthyMow, agree with you totally - my dd is also a late bloomer and in yr 10.

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