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How can we help Y8 ds with his written English having lived in France for 5 years?

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bunjies · 10/05/2012 14:30

Looking from some advice as to whether we should be worried or whether this is normal.

We moved back to England from France last June having lived there for 5 years. During this time ds attended French schools at primary and secondary level. He had 3 years of Primary schooling in the UK when we left at the end of Y2. He has always been a good reader and whilst we were in France we encouraged him to read both English as well as French books, although he does tend towards non fiction/sciency books. Since he's been at secondary school here we have noticed that his written language is very immature. The words he uses are very simplistic and he doesn't use punctuation so his sentences are very long. He also says he doesn't understand what he's expected to do when his homework involves critiquing (sp?) a piece of prose or a poem. In France it was very much about being taught grammar and comprehension skills but here it is more geared towards critical thinking. Is his struggling normal for a Y8 boy or is this is a product of his not having had English taught to him for 5 years? Any advice would be very welcome at this stage as I'm worried he is going to be left behind having missed out on 5 years of English teaching.

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Needmoresleep · 10/05/2012 14:45

Have a look at Galore Park "So You Really Want to Learn English"

Designed as much as anything for kids preparing for Independent school 13+ and suitable for home study. A nice mix of comprehensions, essay topics and other exercises.

bunjies · 10/05/2012 14:53

Thanks for the suggestion Needmoresleep, will look it up. I'm just worried that he's missed out on some vital pre-secondary learning that his peers will have had. I'm not a teacher so how will I know if this is the case? At the last parents evening his teacher did comment that his vocabulary wasn't as good as it could be but other than that didn't mention anything else. It's more his understanding I'm concerned about.

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Bucharest · 10/05/2012 14:58

I think it's probably more a case of different skillsets IYSWIM? Presumably as you are English speakers, it's less a question of his knowing the language as such as knowing waht to do with it?

I work with a lot of French teenagers in the summer and notice that in France (and also in Italy whr I live and teach the rest of the year) there is a lot of "theoretical" learning- especially with stuff like literature,whilst in the UK there seems much more emphasis on getting your own ideas across.

There are lots of supplementary materials for all key stages in the Uk system on both the TES.co.uk website and the teachit.co.uk site especially the latter for English.

kodokan · 10/05/2012 18:28

We're going through almost exactly the same thing with my son - he did Reception, Yr 1, 2 and half of 3 in the UK (across 3 schools due to job moves), then we moved to Switzerland and he went to a French-speaking school for the next 4 years. He also just studied grammar and comprehension, and wasn't ONCE given a blank sheet of paper and asked to actually write anything from scratch.

He's now 12, and 6 months ago we moved to the US and he went back into English-language schooling (he's 6th grade here; would be Yr 7 in the UK). His writing is also to my mind very immature - lots of single clause sentences in a repetitive style, 'I went to the swimming pool. I met my friends there. I had a good time' - but he oddly gets quite good grades; the benchmark must be a lot lower here!

I'm finding this series of textbooks extremely helpful: www.amazon.com/Writing-Grade-7-Spectrum/dp/0769652875. He worked through the 5th grade one before we moved, to give him at least a fighting chance of constructing a paragraph, and I've already got the 7th grade one listed above put by for him to work through during the summer - well, they DO get 10 weeks here, he'll have plenty of time!

Obviously they're aimed at an American audience, but the core writing skills covered are universal, are broken down in the right way to make the child think things through, and it's a good, cheap, entirely self-contained package. The 7th Grade one covers writing basics like main idea plus supporting details, the process of notes, draft, edit, revise, publish final version (I have a lot of trouble getting my son to go back over his own work and amend/improve it), considering your audience, how to structure paragraphs, etc.

Then it goes through different types of writing: creative stories, descriptive writing (my son really needs this one, to encourage him to use adjectives), persuasive writing, informational and instructive writing, and so on.

It's very step by step and instructional, and more useful at this stage I think than essay prompts or story starters, which are good for practice but no use if the child doesn't have the skills in the first place. This way, my son gets lots of practice writing, but is only expected to work on one thing at a time - more adjectives in descriptive writing, considering his audience in persuasive writing, conjunctions in cause-and-effect writing, and so on.

I'm sure it'll all come good in the end. In my son's case, his teacher doesn't seem overly concerned, so perhaps my expectations are a lot higher than they need to be for this age/ school system. And his schooling did at least make yesterday's homework essay 'My Elementary School Experience' interesting despite his immature style!

bunjies · 10/05/2012 19:33

Wow kodokan, that sounds like my ds to a tee, except without the full stops in the sentences Grin. Totally empathise with the frustration of getting him to go through it again. I read on another thread about writing frames and think they might be the kind of thing he could do with as it provides a lot of the structure that he's currently missing.

Yes, Bucharest, that's been our experience of the French system. Very prescriptive and hardly any independent thought.

Will definitely look at all the links.

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kodokan · 13/05/2012 18:46

Mine does full stops, but capitals seem somewhat optional...

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