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is a humanity essential when choosing options for future engineer/architect??

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chocconut · 06/03/2012 21:24

Hi everyone... I am new here but have been lurking trying to get an idea as to how to support my son in his choices, but he has now reached a very confusing position and we need some help!!. He has so far chosen (although many are obligatory):

Eng X 2
Maths
ICT
RE
Triple Science
German
Spanish (doing it independantly as he is native speaker)
DT (Resistant Materials)

which leaves one more.... out of Art or History. It was always going to be history until my DS, who is really interested in becoming an architect, discovered he would have a lot more options open to him in the future if he had Art A Level. He enjoys art a lot but LOVES DT which is why he had chosen DT in the first place and I don't want him to drop it as it has always been his favourite subject!. His HOY said she thinks he should have a humanity which I know would be great but he doesn't have enough option choices.... doing Art would mean no Ebacc, although I am not entirely sure what that would actually mean.... he has high predicted grades accross the board so all teachers are keen to have him in their subjects..... I guess my question is: would he be letting himself down if he leaves a humanity out or would a science / arts mix be good considering he will most likely follow a maths/science/engineering/architecture route (in case he changes his mind 4 times before uni!!). Any advice welcome!!!

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gettingalifenow · 06/03/2012 21:40

If he's doing RE to GCSE level (and not just as a form class talk time), then that counts as a humanity for eg university entry (not sure about the Ebacc)

annh · 06/03/2012 22:21

My ds is in a similar position, he has very few real options by the time he has counted all the compulsory subjects and his great love,music. His school is not insisting on EBacc luckily so I am counting RE as his "humanity". As I understand it, universities are not giving any weight to the EBacc at the moment and have said they will give plenty of notice if they do intend to make it a consideration. I would say either Art/History equally acceptable as his final choice and Art maybe slightly preferable if he goes down the architecture route.

chocconut · 06/03/2012 23:08

Thanks for your replies...

I think I agree with you... my DS is also a really good all rounder and would be good at anything academic (works hard, good memory, generally interested in most subjects) but I think it's good to stretch him in other ways (i.e. creatively) which will give him a way of differentiating himself in the future, having fun and having a break from all the heavy academic subjects. I think I keep on obsessing with wanting to include a humanity to keep his options as broad as possible but the option choices just don't allow it!! Maybe just have to keep him well rounded in other ways through reading, documentaries and museums....

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BanoffeeSplitz · 07/03/2012 08:05

It's pretty important to be able to draw confidently, otherwise you will struggle with an architecture degree as there is a lot of communication / analysis of your designs through sketching.

That said - if you are taking DT seriously, and generally enjoy drawing, I would think you should be confident at that kind of drawing anyway - from basic ideas sketches & diagrams, through to rendering illustrations of what a product might look like.

So your DS may be fine with his drawing / art skills if he doesn't do art - most if not all Universities will want to see a portfolio of artwork, and for the student to be able to discuss it - and this may even be more important than whether the candiatate actually has an Art GCSE. But you always phone some admissions offices if you wanted to double check if not having art would be a problem.

I gather (from reading threads on here - back in my day Art O level was really just a 3 hour drawing exam) that Art GCSE is very intensive & covers lots of Art History etc. So if your DS wants to go down that route, it doesn't seem less academic than a humanity, Ebacc or not.

Could you find out whether your DS could do Art at A-level without having done the GCSE? In my day that would have been possible (if you could demonstrate ability) as the O-level was 'just' drawing (more or less) and the A-level was where you put the real work in, but I'm not sure it would work these days.

One thing you may find is that because architecture is such a broad subject - science, art, physics, humanities, maths - no-one can really be expected to have learnt about everything it might cover, certainly not to A-level standard unless they did about 10 of them Wink, and the most important thing is to be open-minded & open to learning new things, which it sounds like your DS is.

p.s. an Architect Without Humanity sounds very wrong, like they might design some dreadfully unpleasant buildings, but of course your DS can have Humanity without actually having a GCSE in it!

chocconut · 07/03/2012 09:53

Thanks banoffee.... I did ask about doing art without the gcse and was told that it would be very hard although 'not impossible' (whatever that means).... so he is worried that he will run the risk of not being accepted on an Art A level and that the portfolio element of entry to any course in the future would be at risk as he wouldn't be able to differentiate himself creatively... I know some courses ask for Art others don't, but he doesn't want to limit himself if later one he wants to go for one of the arty ones!! He is trying to keep as many options open but in so doing is having to cut out a history due to timetabling constraints which is really frustrating!. Everyone says that the GCSEs don't matter but in reality they do if it means you can't do a certain A LEvel that is later on essential!!!. Confused

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Kez100 · 07/03/2012 10:04

My daughter has just got into a dedicated Art School for sixth form without doing any sort of Art at GCSE, however, it's her hobby and she spent a lot of her own time creating the portfolio to enable her to have the evidence to apply. If she had done the GCSE it would have been already there to show. In addition, there is the professional input you get by doing the GCSE which you don't get doing it your own way. She now knows her first term at Art College is going to be so much harder because of this. If she could go back and re-choose options, I think she probably would. If only for peace of mind.

BanoffeeSplitz · 07/03/2012 11:55

Hmmm... I would worry that the arty / academic courses might prefer Art, plus lots of very academic subjects, but be a bit snobby about DT.

In the same way that admissions might be snotty about A-Level Law for a Law degree, and prefer 3 'proper' subjects.

e.g.I remember some tutors - the posh, Cambridge educated, academic ones - being suspicious of mature students who'd come up via Btecs in Building Technology and were very good at proper industry standard construction drawings - as if they were worried it had narrowed their thinking somehow.

(As it happens, some of those students were brilliantly creative & got 1sts, but there was definitely some initial prejudice against them).

But if your DS loves DT, he should no more be forced to give it up than if he had a passion for Music or Cookery Smile - and tbf I really don't know what DT consists of these days, or how academically it is viewed.

mumeuro · 07/03/2012 12:13

just a cautionary note about studying architecture...I have worked in the field for the last few years and there is currently a big problem. The profession as a whole is losing ground and demand for architects' services is falling so that it is hard to get work experience (even unpaid) and subsequently actually find a job paying anywhere near the sort of salary one would expect after studying for 7 years.

chocconut · 07/03/2012 12:52

Yes Banoffee.... I've worried a bit about the DT option too but its not on the list of 'soft options' of the Russell Group universities.... either way I don't have the heart to tell him he cant do it... he has to be allowed to choose something just for fun and his own love of the subject!!! But that is why he is (very sensibly, I think) considering Art as well in order to keep options open. All his other subjects are very academic (triple science, two languages, RE, Eng, Maths) and is predicted very high grades across the board.

Mumeuro - thanks for your insight, he is sooo young that no decision is being made about architecture for definite but he obvisouly wants to position himself properly in case he wants to go down that route (and who knows what will happen in any profession between now and then!). Even if not architecture, I can see him following different kinds of design/engineering options and I think a mix of Science/Maths and Arts will position him well for any....

However, i still have a nagging doubt about a humanity.... was considering he could always do History at AS level just to keep up with his essay skills (at which he is good).... GCSE isn't required I dont think as the course content changes to different periods of history and from what I can gather having done well at English GCSE would put him in a good position.... just a thought from an options-mad mother... AAHHHH! be glad when all this is over!!

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TalkinPeace2 · 07/03/2012 15:22

drop RE?
that is what DD has done to get all the subjects she wanted - school should be able to give you the opt out form.

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