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BBC league tables - Latymer Upper

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yumskimumski · 27/01/2012 16:17

Just found this. Is there some explanation for these results that I'm missing?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/education/school_tables/secondary/11/html/205.stm

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hammersmithmum · 02/05/2012 08:56

Hi again!
In response to all your messages, I think you've all made good points...I think Latymer's results are much less consistent and change every year depending on who is taking the exams. I would say around a third of GCSE students get all As, and around 40% of A levels are As. I know these results are not as good as St. Paul's, but it is simply because they have recently become a mixed school and are still adapting to this drastic change. Arguably they seem to have a much stronger range of facilities to do with sport, music, art and drama which I feel mixed with a strong set of GCSE grades makes a more well-rounded individual just as capable to get into Russell Group unis as their counterparts in St Paul's. So Latymer, although perhaps with less consistent results, is at the same level extra-curricular wise and intelligence-wise. It is definitely not true to say that if you're child is quite bright they will probably get in. Latymer is one of the hardest schools to get into in London, and I've heard that they WILL weed out your child if they are not performing to their high standards.
And saying that there is a wide range of ethnic diversity is totally untrue. When I went round the school on a recent open morning I observed that the majority, if not all, are white upper middle class children, and most with pretty posh accents, so I do believe it is a posh school, and the myth about working mums is not true, in most of the families it is the dad working and the mum staying at home...
There is of course a broader range of students academically and who are from different backgrounds yes than St Paul's or Eton or Westminster. But it isn't clearly visible and they are very similar to each other as private schools. It is not right to think of Latymer as the same level as Alleyn's or Hampton. Latymer is very hard to compare to other schools as there is no school similar to it. It is certainly the best co-ed, posh, private school of it's kind.
And about the students needing to be thick-skinned, it is a very tough school socially, and people are incredibly competitive with each other academically. It is not a friendly or nice atmosphere, and most students do not feel that they fit in simply because there's no mould that they must fit themselves to. People from different backgrounds clash, I've heard many a story of bullying between a child on a scholarship in white city and a child living in a multi-million pound house in Chelsea, this template does not work as a school! Many children have left due to being unhappy to go to godolphin, Eton, st paul's or Westminster. It is a very hard school to pinpoint, it is different from any other but also very similar to its rivals in many ways.

Kizza2 · 02/05/2012 09:36

I have met many st Pauls parents and they are lovely....its very narrow minded to paint everyone with the same brush- same with Latymer.....in every school in the world there are great parents and not so great parents......

harrassedswlondonmum · 02/05/2012 22:34

Hammersmithmum - I can assure you the working mums are not a myth - there are loads! I am one! Latymer is no more posh than any other London independent. As with all similar schools there is a range of parents - from the very wealthy to those who can only just afford the fees. I totally disagree that the atmosphere is not friendly or nice. Do you have any direct experience of the school?

hammersmithmum · 03/05/2012 19:20

I have many close friends who have sent their children there...perhaps it is just my group of friends!

whiteFoster · 04/05/2012 15:52

Is BBC News school league table data accurate enough?

Mominatrix · 04/05/2012 16:56

Probably. However, I think that the FT one is much more useful as it focuses on core subjects.

IAmSherlocked · 04/05/2012 17:08

I know someone at Latymer - his mum works - he has loads of friends and is really flourishing there.

Your appraisal of it seems a bit sweeping, hammersmithmum Grin

rm02 · 21/05/2012 20:53

I moved to Latymer Upper for sixth form and left a couple of years ago. It was the best decision I could have made. I moved from a somewhat suburban school with middling GCSE results and little academic pressure. Admittedly, I first wanted to move to get out of a pretty stale all-girls school to something more exciting. I applied to Latymer, Alleyns and Godolphin. We looked at St Paul's and, although I have many friends who went there, thought it looked too pressured. My parents refused to let me look at Westminster because they believed that it was too expensive and they hadn't heard good things.

I chose Latymer from the three schools I applied to. The teaching is fantastic and the heads of year and headmaster have been very, very supportive, especially as I wasn't particularly happy in upper sixth (unrelated to school). I got very behind in work and wanted to drop one of the 4 A-Levels I elected to do. My parents and form tutor helped and supported me to get back on track and, although I was in no place to apply to university at the beginning of year 12, I am now at Cambridge. The school allowed me to come back for extra lunchtime classes during my gap year as if I was still a student.
I know that without their help and the excellent teaching, coupled with a stimulating environment, surrounded by very bright students, I would never have won a place.

(On another note - Cambridge seems to be more popular than Oxford at Latymer and from what I have seen, heard and know, is more relaxed socially, more liberal politically and more varied in activities than Oxford is. The west London cliques seem to simply shift to another city.)

The drama, music and art are all brilliant. There are lots of school events which students are always keen to go to. There is a very strong sense of community between the years and an awareness that you are lucky to be part of something very exciting.

I would say that Latymer attracts slightly more relaxed students and less flashy pupils than neighbouring W London schools (although I think the gap is narrowing quickly). They come from Hammersmith, Fulham and, increasingly, Notting Hill. Whereas Godolphin and St Paul's girls seem to frequently come from Kensington.

From my experience, the girls at St Paul's are slightly highly-strung, very skinny (ALL have been very food conscious), socially successful and well groomed. They seem to have a lot of free cash and loos parental reigns.
I am aware, however, that I have often encountered a similar 'type'. Many are very close friends.

I think going in at sixth form is quite different to 11+ entrance. The girls that can handle co-education that age need a tougher skin and they girls are very pretty. I think at sixth-form you need to be resilient and with a strong personality, but that isn't to say people who aren't won't shine.

hammersmithmum · 21/05/2012 21:46

Soon I feel Latymer will just become like any of those other schools, only because it is a little established is it that it is still less flashy than the others...and not true about the no Kensington thing - most seem to reside in Kensington/Chelsea/Notting Hill area, however many live in Chiswick and Ealing. Basically the same areas as most other private schools! I too believe it is much easier to fit in in sixth form, people are more mature and settled as a year group. And trust me, the students at Latymer have as free a parental reign and access to huge amounts of cash as anyone at St Paul's...

hammersmithmum · 21/05/2012 21:49

Basically, all of these schools are just the same, everyone seems to know each other and hang out with each other, whether they're from Eton, St Paul's, Latymer or Westminster...

millpond · 21/05/2012 22:24

I don't think that academically Latymer is the same as Eton, St Pauls or Westminster. They are in a different league altogether.

hammersmithmum · 22/05/2012 12:38

No but I was talking about who the students hang around with...

complexnumber · 24/05/2012 09:14

I have found reading this thread really fascinating. I went to LU back in the 70's when it was an all boys Direct Grant school (same year as Hugh Grant).

A lot of the boys then came from Richmond/Twickenham, we never really considered whether our mate's parents were rich or not, though looking back some most certainly were.

We all just thought of it as a very well oiled exam factory. I studied A level Maths, Physics, Chem, along with 23 other lads, 19 of whom were applying for Oxbridge (it was more of a Cambridge school back then as well). Whereas I was applying to Cov. Poly.

I think its character changed a great deal once it lost its Direct Grant status and became fully independent, but that's an old story now.

sals500 · 24/09/2012 08:30

This is an interesting debate, my child had a place at St Pauls and like a number of parents in her year chose Latymer..... probably because is was more 'normal' and more like the state grammar schools my husband and I attended rather than a privileged private school. My experience is that it is quite racially and culturally diverse and is very accepting of all backgrounds. She achieved a bumper crop of straight A*s (all iGCSE) but has had a fantastic time along the way. She has been stretched and challenged, inspired but not spoon-fed. High standards are expected but the school encourages collaboration rather than stressful competition, so the students support & encourage each other each other rather than getting stressed about being 'the best'. It is also true that academics are not the be all and end all, and if your thing is drama or sport that's great too.
I couldn't fault the school and wholeheartedly recommend it.

Elibean · 24/09/2012 12:52

The kids I know who've moved to Latymer from the dds' state primary are not particularly posh....bright, yes, but not posh. They have bright, working parents.

They do seem to enjoy it there, though one or two I've met since the move are also pretty stressed. Not enough circumstantial evidence to tell me, or anyone else, much Smile

ameliacampbell · 19/10/2012 18:46

This is a very interesting thread. I have sent one son to Westminster and my daughter to Latymer Upper, and am very pleased with both schools. I agree with what all of you are saying - Latymer is very tough academically, as of course is Westminster, but it does have more of a social mix. It is undeniable that it is a very 'posh' school, and is becoming much 'posher' as each new year come in, perhaps due to more publicity etc, but there are also some who are state primary students, and a couple in each year who are on scholarships. It is different of course to other 'posh' schools; it is mixed, 'cooler' and does have its routes in state grammar (however so do so many now private/public schools). It is more of a mix than somewhere like st paul's etc however there's not much between them. The students there are all friends with children from Eton, St Paul's, Westminster, Downe House, CLC etc etc, but also schools like Notting Hill & Ealing, Hampton and Putney High. As a school, it seems to produce 'posh' students who are not snobby but well-mannered, eloquent, polite and awfully academic (however the drama, music and sports are brilliant too for those who excel at extra-curricular activities). My husband went to Eton, and I went to St Mary's Ascot, and we are astounded at its teaching, atmosphere and facilities.It has the traditional, public school feel, however is also pioneering the way for mixed education, which is why it is one of the hardest schools to get into in the country (!). Its reputation is growing, and although it was always famous, suddenly it has now been thrown into the same status as those top public schools we always hear about in the papers. I just hope that the new headmaster will keep this going!

ameliacampbell · 19/10/2012 18:55

And we were very happy when it came 11th in the country for GCSE results!

takeonboard · 19/10/2012 19:00

Is Latymer upper 11th?
amelia which is CLC school?

ameliacampbell · 19/10/2012 19:05

Yes it was this summer, for its iGCSE results, although I know that a couple of schools don't put their results in (Westminster etc) so it was probably around 15th with those other ones. It's been the top co-ed private school in the country for a few years now I think. And CLC is Cheltenham Ladies' College.

ameliacampbell · 19/10/2012 19:07

93% of grades were A*/A

ameliacampbell · 16/12/2012 13:02

I trust FT's rankings the most - Latymer Upper came 25th in the independent schools table this year regarding both A level results and GCSE results. It was the top co-ed school apart from the Perse School in Cambridge - which I think is absolutely brill. Their facilities are fantastic - just as good as St Paul's etc, and in 2012 they got 50 people into Oxbridge. Latymer Upper is one to watch!!!

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