level required for Scholarships

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Hi, anyone any idea what sort of level is required for a scholarship? For example, at Common Entrance age (13). I see from other postings (very interesting reading) that Eton for example requires 70% at CE just to get in, but other schools might only require 55%.
So I am assuming their Scholarship levels would also be different? What sort of level would they be can anyone hazard a guess.
Second Question.
Do all the boys who are entered for the Eton pretest only go in for it because they have been deemed capable? And are the results therefore pretty close grouped? So, for example, a boy who got a conditional place would not be that far ahead of a reserve placed boy who would himself not be THAT far ahead of the boys who came in the last 50?
So, if your son did reasonably well in the Eton pretest but didn't get a place (say, about half way down the field), would it mean he might still be capable of a scholarship in a less demanding school?
Sorry, complicated question.

My BiL did (Winchester - years ago). Still came 4th on the roll. Now a fabulously prosperous QC.

I think 15% in Maths would be a show stopper, tbh.

At this level of attainment, it would be unlikely they would have even passed the pre-test, let alone Common Entrance.

Academic Scholarships are all round, not subject specific.

All round to a point. They are more likely to offer a scholarship to a boy that averages 50% in his papers but 95% in one subject rather than a boy who averages 65% in all subjects with no stand out paper.

I'm very disappointed with the prep school at the moment. They didn't get round to teaching DS Greek so if he doesn't get a KS he will also not be eligible for the Anna Shaw scholarship.

Oh, that's good as my DS despite actually being quite good at english, refuses to show it very often. His maths ability is much easier to demonstrate.

Sorry, that appeared out of context a bit, as it was in reply to the last post about getting 15% in one paper. Although I would not expect him to score so low, it comforts me to think he can actually produce very high marks in maths and maybe his english might not let him down if he is on a good day and feeling cooperative. Because he really wants to get to boarding school.

DS was awarded 11+ scholarships at two good independent schools near us (both in top 100 schools). Prior to the exams he was consistently getting 90% + for Maths and about 85%+ in English papers and close to 100% in VR/NVR tests.

Think the interview also played an important part, as he seemed to have some complex discussion with the Head of Science about the scientific principles behind some experiment he'd seen on 'Mythbusters'

I have gone along with this thread, but I really struggle with the notion of applying for a scholarship and expecting to get one.

I worked at a prep school for a time (Eton, Harrow, Charterhouse as well as more local HMC schools). All the boys entered for CE, and there were about 6 or 8 selected for scholarship. There really wasn't any expectation that anyone would be successful in getting an major award. As it turned out, in my year, someone did get 25% off fees. A couple got 'exhibitions' (no fee reduction). But this is unusual in a typical prep school. There will be impressive lacquered scholarship boards, but most of the scholarships will be music, art, drama and sports for 5 - 10% off fees.

That was 6 years ago. I believe things have changed with the kerfuffle with the Charities Act. Most discounts have now been put into the bursary fund, and scholarships are now very token - either zero or something like £200 per year.

Overall, what comment from amerryscot seems to remain the same.

Last year, about 10 boys from DS school applied CE for WinCol, for example. More than half of them applied for scholarship and 4 were invited to the exam. At the end, two got Election and one for Exhibition.

Financial support is down to individual's circumstances, and only one I know of had full support.

However, means tested bursary is not entirely financial circumstances and accessible for high performing kids. I found many schools, including Eton and WinCol, take "means tested", not "needs blind". Just another name of scholarship under the Charities Act. Let me know if I'm wrong about this.

amerryscot - well that wasn't our experience at all. DS did 11+ at two local HMC independents and was awarded a 25% academic scholarship and a cash one, which equates to about 8% a year. No one 'applied' for them, but the top 5% of so of kids in the exam were offered them. I think his 25% one was a particularly 'special' one though as it was 'named' after one of the founders, rather than just being the 'bog standard' 10% one which his friend was offered.

DS1 got a 30% academic scholarship [boast]

One of our local independents offers a nominal amount p.a., another is far more generous and variable in %. If you qualify for more than one scholarship (say sports or music on top of academic) then it can accumulate or become an All Round award which may give a bigger discount to either individually. Some of the public schools invite scholars to donate the £ back if they don't "need" the discount and it goes towards the bursary fund or means tested scholarships.

11+ is not the same as 13+ for scholarships.

With 11+, it is more typical for the top performers in the entrance exam to be interviewed by the head, and then to be offered a scholarship.

With 13+, there is a typically separate scholarship exam, taken well before the CEE week.

However, given that independent schools are just that - independent - there is no hard and fast rule that covers them all. Whenever anything is said about the sector, someone always comes up with an exception.

When I was looking at the Shrewsbury website yesterday, because it came up on another post, I came across their policy for making awards:

www.shrewsbury.org.uk/page/grant-making-policy

I think this is where the sector is moving.

ds ' 13+ entry was based upon performance in the school's specific entrance exam , not CE, and academic scholarships were awarded to the higher performers in this and at interview, there was no separate paper. 11+ there is done on a similar basis. afaik only those schools locally using CE and Year 6/7 pretests now require a separate scholarship paper. There are no general rules, each school will vary.