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astrophysics/physics help

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Hullygully · 17/05/2011 11:55

Being an arts person meself, these subjects are a mystery to me, but they are what ds wants to study at uni.

Can anyone help with what A levels are best, what unis are best, and what extra-curricular stuff he should be thinking about...?

I would be extremely grateful for any/all advice. He is currently year 9.

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Bue · 17/05/2011 19:47

Out of curiosity I just asked DH this question, who has an MPhys with a space science concentration and is a physics teacher. He reeled it off automatically - maths, further maths and physics, exactly what everyone else has said. Then a fourth subject that the student enjoys - I'm sure your son could do whatever he likes and be fine. DH said if someone is really keen on the sciences then perhaps they'd do a fourth in engineering, but really that might be overkill. A bit of breadth is no bad thing, is it?!

Hullygully · 17/05/2011 20:21

No. Look at Leonardo. He is ds's role model. It's our fault, we took him to Clos Luce and Vinci at a tender age. But that aside, I agree, we never used to have this insistence on a single monomaniacal pursuit.

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astronut · 17/05/2011 20:53

Couldn't help but join to comment on this thread.... (for background I'm currently writing up for a PhD in astronomy)

For A levels, as everybody else has said Physics and Maths are essential. Further Maths is good, but more from the 'it'll make the first year of degree easier' than being a course requirement as almost all Physics/ Maths courses will cover the FM material in the first term or so of teaching to ensure everybody is at the same level, whether they did just maths, fm, IB maths etc. So if you've done FM its good since there'll be more topics you're familiar with but you go into more detail with them than you would at A level anyway.

As a fourth option, I'd go for chemistry - again there's a fair bit of overlap with some first year physics stuff that A level chemistry - at least the inorganic stuff - gives a nice bit of context to. I have yet to meet an admissions tutor who's been that bothered about the student being 'rounded' at A level and studying a humanity/ arts subject as well.... if you've got physics and maths its not going to count against you, but its not really going to help either IYSWIM?

Reading around the subject is great, but it should be something he should do because he's interested in it, not because he thinks he should for uni! As others have said New Scientist subs. is a great way to keep on top of developments and get a 'feel' for the subject. Bookwise, I would personally avoid 'A brief history of time' (some of its chapters are somewhat out of date, plus its not written in the most accessible style) but you may want to try:

  • 'Black Holes, Wormholes and Time Machines' by Jim Al-Khalili. I LOVE this book. It's aimed at a teenager audience, and its what got me into physics; I picked it up when I was 12 and thought 'wow, this is so cool!' (I was/am a complete nerd though....)
  • anything by John Gribbin, he's written tonnes of books on a whole range of astro and physics topics
  • anything by Paul Davies, ditto to JG
  • anything by Ian Stewart, he's written a lot of good, accessible books on maths; I particularly liked 'Flatterlands'

He may also like 'Astronomy Cast' (downloadable iTunes) - I'd rate this as the best astro podcast available - and may like to have google NASA's 'apod' (Astronomy Picture Of the Day), as it gives a nice idea of the scope of the subject (plus they're just cool!). TV wise, most of Jim Al-Khalili's programs are pretty good, as are Brian Cox's on particle physics/ CERN. I'd take the 'Wonders' series however with a pinch of salt, they are admittedly pretty to look at, but frankly content wise they are less than impressive (I have yet to meet an 'actual' astronomer - BC is a particle physicist and it shows - that liked either series).

As others had said, see if you have a local amateur astronomy group that run a youth section, and if you live close to any Unis, see what outreach events their physics/astro departments run. Most will run some sort of public oriented events, whether yearly open day or weekly public talks. If you're near London, then the Ri (Royal Institution) run public lectures all year round, not just at Xmas! Further south, the Intech science centre (near Winchester) have a planetarium and run excellent series of talks. Further north, in Leicester there's the National Space Centre too.

Hullygully · 17/05/2011 21:07

Thanks for that. I shall order yet more books. He'd better make a bloody fortune one day and pay me back...

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astronut · 17/05/2011 21:09

If he ends being an astronomer or research physicist you'll be waiting a long time for him to make a fortune....

Hullygully · 17/05/2011 21:12

Oh all right, so long as he's engaged, happy and productive

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astronut · 17/05/2011 21:12

^^ ... ends up...

Lancelottie · 18/05/2011 19:13

DH (radioastronomer, or at least ex-one) suggests electronics as a fourth subject, but then he's pining for a techy child to build circuits with, and we somehow seem to have created an artist, a thesp and a creative writer between us.

Lancelottie · 18/05/2011 19:13

...shall we swap?

inthesticks · 18/05/2011 19:18

Hullygully I have a DS who sounds just like yours. Mine's in Year 10 and his ambition is to do Physics at Cambridge (like Stephen Hawking apparently). He is Just like DH so they can talk boring maths and science together while I have to help drag up his English and MFL grades.
I can't get him to read the English texts he needs but he loved A Brief History of Time , and thanks to this thread I now have a list of other stuff for him.

ThisIsANiceCage · 18/05/2011 19:30

Nooo, Hawking's a mathmo at the Dept of Applied Maths and Theoretical Physics.

Hullygully · 18/05/2011 19:56

Trying to get mine fascined by all things Jewish at the moment as he has an re module coming up. If only it was on famous Jewish astonishing inventions rather than food laws...

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Hullygully · 18/05/2011 19:57

fascinated even

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Guacamole · 18/05/2011 20:06

Not read the whole post so forgive me if I'm repeating... I'm a Physicist and I would say he obviously needs Physics and Maths but the other A-level/s can be absolutely anything... A language is always good, but something he enjoys. Incidentally I do a shed load of computer programming/modelling and most of the Physicists I know do too... Do they offer any computing A-levels nowadays?

petal2008 · 18/05/2011 20:10

My son is hoping to do the same and was advised maths, further maths and physics. He has been fascinated and really interested in doing astrophysics for many years. Cue many visits to Space centre at Leicester and Jodrell Bank. Mind you it does have it's advantages, namely Brian Cox, especially the science night he did recently where I spent most of the night looking at his bum but pretending to listen!

Hullygully · 18/05/2011 20:29

I'll check re computing, but he has chosen art rather than IT for GCSE (Leonardo again).

Leicester v far, I'll have to look for nearer ones with good bums!!

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hogsback · 18/05/2011 20:50

As Guacamole says, any hard science involves a huge amount of computing. IT GCSE is a waste of time as there is no programming in it AFAIK, not sure what A level Computing involves. He might be better off teaching himself Java, C, Perl and Python on his home computer.

Practical skills are really useful for Physics, and Electronics might be good for this, particularly if it teaches how to lay out boards, solder, use an oscilloscope etc. I did an AO level (do they still do those?) Electronics at the same time as my A-levels and found it really useful in a lot of the practicals in undergrad Physics - I could mount a transistor on a breadboard without snapping the legs off for a start!

snorkie · 18/05/2011 20:59

There is a computing A level, but it's not offered at all schools. It's quite a nice A level and isn't regarded as soft, but it's not actually a required A level for many/any courses (even computer science), so perhaps not as versatile as maths or physics. One to consider if he is interested in it and enjoys that sort of thing perhaps though?

dixiechick1975 · 18/05/2011 21:04

Leicester has a very good repuation for astrophysics when I was there - DH shared a flat with 2 lads doing it - both have gone on to interesting empoyment - one of them in the US.

GnomeDePlume · 18/05/2011 21:12

I asked DB ( a research physicist) on DD1's behalf a while back. DB's opinion was Maths, Physics, Chemistry (he also said as astronut did that Futher Maths is good for study though not so useful as a qualification). DB also said that the fourth should be something the student is interesting so long as it is academic. His view was that it would give an applicant something to talk about once they had done the funny handshake!

As a side thought, DB was very much in favour of the Erasmus scheme (up to one year at an EU institution). Not many UK students go out so one planning to and expressing interest at the application stage would stand out. DB thought that students benefited both academically and personally from that year at a foreign institution.

Hullygully · 18/05/2011 22:05

Thanks all, am collating, filing, colour coding all info and spending zillions on Amazon..

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Hullygully · 18/05/2011 22:07

Oh, and he has the chance to do an astronomy gcse alongside a levels - this would be good yes?

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snorkie · 18/05/2011 22:12

Astronomy is quite an unusual GCSE, dd is doing it and really enjoying it - no other subject requires homework to be done outside at 3am! It's obviously not essential, but I think it would make his application stand out a little over other peoples and show enthusiasm and commitment to the subject as well as giving him a better idea of what it's about. I imagine that admissions bods will still want high grades in maths + physics A level over anything else though, so he shouldn't let his grades in those slip as a result.

Happygomummy · 18/05/2011 22:17

Under Scottish system (highers) I did maths, physics, chemistry and English. I then went on to do physics (to post grad level) however I think doing English was great. I have a passion for literature and my writing skills (much underrated/hated side to some scientists) are probably considerably better as a result.

Physics is a great choice of degree btw, it has opened many, many v interesting (and not particulary obvious) doors for me.

startail · 18/05/2011 23:48

Physics, Maths and further Maths!!!
I did maths (scrapped through) , physics, biology and chemistry. Studied the first year of the astrophysics course. Failed the maths exam twice and became a biologist (given I have an A and a distinction at S'level in biology I clearly should have done this first, but university applications don't work like that Sad)
And yes a little bit off me still looks up at the night sky and would love to be researching its mysteries (my user-name is a bit of a give away), however I did meet DH and without him there would be no DC and I would be filling the dishwasher not MNing Wink)

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