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Foundation Diplomas instead of GCSE/A-levels

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ragged · 06/02/2011 09:17

Was talking to some people who Home-Ed, they don't like GCSEs or A-levels, and are going to get their DC to do Foundation degrees instead.

I have been trying to read up about Foundation degrees (here) but I find it rather confusing. Are Foundation degrees a reasonable alternative to GCSEs/A-levels, or are they likely to be seen as inferior by employers and university admissions? Can anyone compare and explain, in simple Sunday-morning English? :)

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Jamillalliamilli · 06/02/2011 09:39

Are you possibly confusing foundation diplomas with foundation degrees?

ragged · 06/02/2011 10:01

I am confused, that much is very true Grin.
I just understood it to be Foundation-something which served as an alternative to GCSEs/A-levels. Can you explain more clearly?

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Jamillalliamilli · 06/02/2011 10:09

A foundation diploma (as in your link), is an equivalent to five GCSEs at grades D-G so it depends how you view five D to G GCSEs.

A foundation degree is about skilling up for a particular industry. IE a Hospitality Foundation degree may be a very smart thing to have if you want to head for hotel management with one of the big chains.

At school we where advised that son should do a Foundation Diploma in Environmental and Land-based Studies, which would give him 1st rung access to jobs in garden centres, landscaping, pet shops, vets, florists, farms, kennels or stables.

We?ve gone for H/E instead and he?s done IGCSE?s in maths, science, English, history , geog, so you can see we felt it was limiting for him.

ragged · 06/02/2011 12:14

Gotcha, I guess I meant a Foundation Diploma, then Blush.
But why would somebody think that a Foundation Diploma is better than the possibility of getting A-C grades at single GCSEs? Confused. The children are quite bright, btw, not like they're limited in terms of academic potential.
Also, I thought the link I gave was suggesting that you could somehow extend the Foundation Diploma work to be as good as A-levels or first year at Uni, or... I'm not really sure, hence why I was hoping for simple explanation?

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roisin · 06/02/2011 12:27

This is the problem with Diplomas - they're not understood.

The Foundation Diplomas - as JustGettingOnWithIT - are only equivalent to GCSEs grade G-D (Even though they get a grade for the diploma of up to A - but it doesn't mean GCSE equivalent A)

If they fail some elements of it they get nothing.

The regular Diplomas (can't remember what the term is) are equivalent to (7?) GCSEs grades A-C. But again you have to pass every element, including functional skills tests in Maths, English and IT.

Jamillalliamilli · 06/02/2011 15:25

From DofE (your link's the old DCSF site) ^ Phase 4 Diplomas
Ministers also announced today that development of new Diplomas in science, humanities and languages, which were due to be introduced from September 2011, will stop immediately.
Ministers believe that it is not the role of the state to decide whether there is a need for new qualifications, and that attention should be focused instead on improving existing qualifications in these subject areas to ensure they are rigorous, challenging and properly prepare young people for life, work and further study.

Extended Diploma
Ministers announced on 24 June that the development of the Extended Diploma would stop, to avoid adding another level of complexity to the Diploma qualification. Students who wish to take larger programmes of learning already have the flexibility to take additional learning alongside their Diploma.^

My underlining, but that?s where the worlds headed, for now at least.

Jamillalliamilli · 06/02/2011 15:31

I?ll risk piddleing of loads of people and say, for anything other than vocational work, then well advised to steer clear, especially as H/E?d where they?re going to meet enough assumptions in the future.

Why would someone think a Foundation Diploma better? Well they may be listening to Connnexions, or it may be their LEA is offering them free ?exams? this way, part time flexi schooling in college etc. You?d need to listen to the parents as to why they?re buying into it. They may not know who else to ask. Most parents at old school just accepted it as better, because we where told we didn't have a choice.

My opinion?s based on responses I got when school insisted diploma?s, certificates of personal competency etc, were the great new thing and Oxford candidates would all be rocking up there in a couple of years time getting in with their advanced diplomas, as A levels wouldn?t exist by then.

I thought we might be being sold a pup and got on the phone and asked them and others.

It was very interesting to find out different uni admin?s less official prejudices, preferences, and views (including on H/E kids) but it came down to good solid qualifications, in good old fashioned subjects, some level of social skills, and the ability to interview well, was the safest bet to be able to cut it, from Russell Group (who I didn?t even know about then!) to ex poly?s, and going for the harder IGCSE exams opens harder doors.

It may not be how it?s meant to be, but for anyone in a position where they can?t really afford to get it wrong then that?s the safe bet.

I take the attitude that what?s good enough for the people with choices, is likely to be good enough for my kids too, it seems to work well enough. :)

ragged · 06/02/2011 20:21

I think they're just quite disillusioned with A-levels/GCSEs and any peer pressure exposure, too.

There are so many talk threads on MN about different GCSE choices, I just wondered why I hadn't heard of the Foundation thingies.

It feels a bit like a minefield, tbh!

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