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Kendrick Grammar - any parents out there?

35 replies

GaribaldiGirl · 05/02/2011 19:10

Just want to know if anyone has a daughter there, if they're happy and how they find it generally. My daughter sat exam in November. She's got an academic scholarship to an independent school which reduces the fees which is great so if she gets into Kendrick will be a tough choice (fees are a stretch - we have 5 children!) I just don't know anyone who has actual experience of the school.

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MABS · 05/02/2011 19:29

i have a niece there,loves it

Milliways · 05/02/2011 20:07

Where I work we have several Kendrick students doing after school work. They all seem really happy and well adjusted.

It IS pressurised, and I don't like the fact that the girls all know how they were placed in the entrance exam (The Reading Boys find out the day the leave!) but they get amazing results.

(My DD failed to get in, but we did try).

Punkatheart · 05/02/2011 20:54

I have had a child at The Abbey and now at Leighton Park - but know lots of people with children at Kendrick. The ethos was summed up by one parent: It is really hard to get into but if you are clever enough for that, it will be a breeze. Unlike The Abbey, they make the exam hard so that there truly is a selective process. Girls who can pass that should be able to cope. I really feel that Kendrick girls are quite tough and yes, it is pressurised.

My OH's cousin is an ex-Kendrick girl and she is as smart as a whip....

If it is The Abbey she has a scholarship for...well I will try not to put you off, but we have had a really horrible time there. But well done for the scholarship - that shows how bright she is......

Is she very science and maths orientated?

batgirl · 05/02/2011 21:07

I have a DD there & she is very happy. It doesn't seem very pressurised to me, though the majority of girls appear to be very self driven. (caveat: she is now doing GCSEs so things may hot up!!)

The school is very relaxed rulewise as the girls are, generally, very well behaved.

It is not especially good for extra curricular activities, sport is ok if your daughter is motivated but music, for example, is dire.

I would agree with Miliways comments about the exam placings, but it doesn't seem to bother the girls - my DD was pretty near the bottom and is unfazed (she's actually achieving about middle).

HTH!

Hattiehoo · 05/02/2011 22:28

Hi we are in an identical situation in that our DD has also been awarded an academic scholarship to the Abbey and we are anxiously awaiting Kendrick results.

Does anyone have an opinion about what would best suit a very sharp but rather lazy dreamer? She is totally unsporty and not the slightest bit musical. Although she would love to sing in a choir, she has never been allowed in! Art is very important to her and although good at maths and science, creative things are her passion. I am a bit daunted by the reputation the Abbey has for doleing out huge amounts of homework as my DD will resist it ,but on the other hand I would never call her self motivated which means she might not achieve at Kendrick.

I suspect she will probably not get through the Kendrick exam as our preparation was very last minute but it would be nice to have an idea about what we would chose if given the chance.

Anyone out there had a lazy girl attended either of these schools?

Hattiehoo

Milliways · 05/02/2011 22:35

Hattie - I don't think either will tolerate Lazy!

(If you are in this area - what state schools would you consider? I know some are truly dire, but others are well deserving of their Outstanding Ofsteds.)

Hattiehoo · 05/02/2011 22:39

Milliways, my DD could also possibly go to Sir William Borlase as she has passed the 11+ in Bucks but I have the opposite concern there that she may just relax too much! Reading area would suit us better anyway as my DS is at Reading School like your DS and it would be better to be travelling in one direction. Maybe my DD will just have to pull her finger out!

Milliways · 05/02/2011 22:52

Fingers crossed for you all :)

Punkatheart · 05/02/2011 22:58

Don't go to The Abbey if you love Art. The Headmistress actually told me that she considers it to be a waste of time. The art teachers are good but very hemmed in by very prescriptive lessons. Similarly, if she is a dreamer do NOT go to The Abbey. This is a school that expects girls to be perfect. Every little thing wrong is penalised by 'marks' in their homework diaries - down to leaving a ruler at home or losing anything. If they are ill, they get really stressed - because it is hard to catch up. The Abbey is a place for alpha girls - tough, neat and driven.

The choir is selective. So much so that my daughter, who has a good voice, was scared to audition.

Creativity is really not The Abbey's thing. My daughter is also a little lazy but very creative. She is now at Leighton Park, which is wonderful at treating indviduals as individuals. The art is astonishing there are there is a multitude of extracurricular activities.

As for homework - yes it is excessive. I don't think a school is a necessarily a good one if there is a lot of homework. My daughter tells me that her lessons at Leighton are so much more proactive - at The Abbey they were always left to write a lot in the lessons. So if your daughter is currently unmotivated, she will struggle.

Hattiehoo · 05/02/2011 23:06

Thank you Punkatheart. What you have said confirms my impression of the Abbey.It just didn't feel like a good fit. I'm a bit surprised she got the scholarship as you can be sure the spelling and neatness would have been lacking!

Do you think Kendrick might suit her better if she's arty?

Punkatheart · 05/02/2011 23:09

I'm afraid I don't know much about the arty side of Kendick - but my girl does know people there. I will get her to ask for you tomorrow.

I feel that art and creative elements are important for growth. She is good to get that scholarship though - they only take the cream off the top for that!

Hattiehoo · 05/02/2011 23:12

Thank you, it was very unexpected!

batgirl · 06/02/2011 07:47

Hi Hattie,

I'm afraid I can't tell you how good art is or isn't at Kendrick as it is not a subject my DD has ever been keen on. I have been impressed, though, with food tech & textiles teaching. I don't think they can do either subject there at A level, though (but I'm fairly sure art is offeed at A level)

I think if she is bright then she may suit Kendrick - they are not bound by petty rules and don't to me, seem overly pushed. Homework was quite light in the early years (has increased with GCSEs). My DD thinks they just work at a much faster pace & probably at a higher level & because the girls are all bright they achieve well without too much pressure. Although they are expected to manage their work independently.

One of the things which I very much like about Kendrick is that the girls seem very tolerant of each other. There is a real mixture of "geeky" girls, fashionistas etc & seems to be no pressure to conform in any way. My DD believes that this is not the case at the Abbey - there it's social death if you are not wearing Jack Wills!

Punkatheart · 06/02/2011 08:29

Oh bloody Jack Wills - that is absolutely true! Yes, more eccentric girls have a hard time at The Abbey...

Hattiehoo · 06/02/2011 09:46

Thank you for that Batgirl and Punkatheart.

I definitely think she sounds more of a Kendrick girl than an Abbey girl. Just hope she gets in!

GaribaldiGirl · 06/02/2011 10:04

Thanks everyone! batgirl - it's great to hear of a girl who loves it there.

Hattie - when i went round Kendrick I thought the art department was great. The girl who showed me round was lovely and very into art, she was raving about it.

I'm not really expecting my daughter to get in. She is brightish, but we didn't do coaching etc. I was thinking if she did get in it would be fantastic to save the fees.

I also like the idea of my daughter mixing with a broad spectrum of people. She is currently at an independent prep school and I fear she's growing up believing that everyone has a second home, tennis court and pool (except us!).

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ReadingMan · 06/02/2011 10:52

I see the 2 Abbey haters are out as soon as they get a chance!

sparklyjewlz · 06/02/2011 11:08

If your DD gets in she will cope fine. It is very academic: it it is one of the best state schools in the country (always top 10 I believe). I know several girls there who love it and they're all from state primaries. If a girl received lots of coaching to pass the test they might find it a real struggle.
Speaking as the mum of 2 DSs at Reading School (boys' equivalent) the sky's the limit in terms of expectations and achievement.

Punkatheart · 06/02/2011 12:54

ReadingMan - I don't think it is a case of being an Abbey hater. For a certain type of girl, the school is fine - a completely organised, very high-flying child - they will gain good results and go on to university and so forth. Results are not the issue. But for an arty type - it simply is not a good environment.

But for a school to send a letter to a very sick parent telling them the child not to use their mother's illness as an excuse not to achieve - it's unforgiveable. A lot of parents were shocked and there was an apology made. School should also be a caring environment and some children need more in the way of nurturing than others.

My daughter has friends who are tough and therefore happy at the school. Several others are softer and are planning to leave. It's just finding the right fit.

I think you should reserve judgement on the school until you actually experience it. We have had four years of it and have also had something to compare with the Junior School, which is absolutely fantastic. The best teaching, kindest people and a happy, cosy atmosphere....

GaribaldiGirl and HattieHoo:

I have spoken to my daughter and she does know a number of girls at Kendrick - she travels with some of them. She thinks that the arty side is good but she is going to ask them on the 'bus tomorrow.

In regard to your daughter Hattie being lazy - I think they all go through that funny slinking around stage - my daughter certainly is at the moment. If she finds the right place she may get excited about things again. Or she may be brighter than you think and she may be acting out boredom?

hoofhearted · 25/03/2011 09:40

Hi,

I am bringing this 'old' thread as I have to make a difficult decision....DD has been offered places at 3 indies and for a long time the Abbey has been first choice, but we are now really worried that it isn't the right one for her. She is definitely 'middle' academically so I am just feeling that now she would struggle at the Abbey. She is also young in her year and immature generally. I am now veering much more towards the other two with St Josephs college just out in front. We had a lovely feeling about the school. Results are good (though not as top notch as Abbey) and feedback from other parents who have children there has been glowing!

We have heard things from the Abbey regarding exams - not being entered if not good enough and asked to leave if generally not bright enough/not coping (this wasn't rumor it was actually from a mum who subsequently moved her DD)

Anyway - advice please as we have until 30th to decide so not long.

Thanks

Livvy

Milliways · 25/03/2011 18:39

Is St Jo's financially stable? DS chats to pupils from there on the bus into town, and last year they were moaning the choices of GCSE's had been restricted due to budget, and they recently went co-ed to improve finance.

I know of old pupils who were extremely happy there, and DS's friends like it, but I would just want to dig a little in the current climate with so many indies closing.

Well done to your DD for getting 3 offers though.

sparklyjewlz · 25/03/2011 18:47

What is the 3rd school?

Punkatheart · 25/03/2011 20:14

Yes, children are asked to leave if they are not likely to achieve good results at The Abbey. There are worse things I could tell you - but I really don't want to put it up here.

Go with your instinct. If you need to private PM me, that is absolutely fine. But yes, what is the third school?

ReadingMan · 26/03/2011 01:23

Hoofhearted,

I have heard very good things about The Abbey from all parents whose DC have attend (except Punkatheart who will post within the hour to say how dreadful it is with many horror stories!).

I do not think The Abbey is academically exclusive, however it is selective so it is important to aware of that. I was very impressed on the importance on developing girls confidence which came through. Interestingly St Josephs has dropped the convent part to encourage wider audience.

Punkatheart · 26/03/2011 07:24

Horror stories? It does imply a mythical quality. But at the risk of repeating myself to you, Readingman - we spent in total four years at The Abbey: two at The Junior School (excellent and faultless) and almost two at The Senior School. Therefore someone who has only 'heard' about The Abbey is really less qualified to comment.

I have never denied that for a certain type of child, The Abbey is fine. An alpha, mature and organised child will benefit. However - children with more lateral talents will suffer. My daughter has won prizes in short story and art competitions. She is bright, creative and funny. Yet The Abbey was extremely hard on the fact that she was disorganised - to the point of completely destroying her confidence. Disorganisation was equated with stupidity.

However - my big problem was a deeply personal one. The Abbey is NOT supportive if there is also anything but alpha parents at home. I have incurable lymphoma and I am often extremely ill. Stress does not help and The Abbey was deeply unpleasant at a time when I was having radiotherapy and chemo. To the point that they sent us a letter stating that 'DD should not be using her mother's illness as an excuse.'

I was sad, then angry. I complained to the school about such insensitivity and received an apology at such a badly worded and frankly horrible comment.

My daughter made some very good friends at the school, which she still keeps. There were certain aspects: IT was excellent. English teachers were all superb. Sports facilities not ideal. Some body and food issues amongst the girls, for whom perfection was expected.

My daughter recently made me cry when I asked her about her new school. 'I don't feel stupid any more,' she said. She is now doing extremely well after less than one term - back to being happy, getting good marks and being encouraged and listened to, rather than penalised by a black mark in a planner for forgetting her ruler. The Abbey is NOT good with child psychology or with individualism. It lacks sensitivity and there is little support for anyone struggling. That is how they maintain their high results.

Yes, I do tend to react if I see another child who is 'not mature for their age' who may be destined to The Abbey. I am a caring person - as you would see on many other of my postings. I like to help people. We have been through absolute hell, that has calmed so very much with an understanding school.

A school for me is about the academic but also about the ethos. The ethos of The Abbey is HARD. My daughter is not destined to be a businesswoman or a tough cookie. She will probably go into a creative industry, like her father. He is disorganised on the surface but achieves very well and runs a department of 30 people. There are more complex levels of intelligence and cleverness. Ironically, I would have flown at The Abbey - I found exams easy. But we must choose the school that suits our particular child and we did give it a try, hoping that this confidence trick would kick in. We still feel guilty that our daughter was damaged in a lot of ways - she now has quite poor self-esteem which is being rebuilt by some incredible teachers.

This is not a witch hunt. Mumsnet is incredibly useful for real opinions and experiences. I asked here about my daughter's new school and I listened to the comments. But ultimately, mothers go on their instincts.

Sorry long post but I do object to being told that I am full of horror stories.