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Academy school : if the parents don't care, what can be done?

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Talkinpeace · 25/01/2011 16:43

Have a read through this Ofsted report
www.dailyecho.co.uk/resources/files/13708/
786 kids on roll
53 questionnaire responses from parents and carers
157 from kids
24 from staff

The local paper rant and rave, the LEA offer help but if the parents are THAT apathetic, is it any wonder that certain schools are failing our kids.

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NotRocketSurgery · 25/01/2011 17:30

funny you should raise this - I didn't return my questionnaire in time when our school was inspected - dd din't get it until several days after the date at the top of the letter, then dd didn't bother to give it to me the first night that she had it - I didn't read it till the following day on the way to work - only to find the damn thing was supposed to be back that very day. I dropped it in their postbox on my way home - but technically it was late, so I don't know if it was ever seen by the inspectors.

NotRocketSurgery · 25/01/2011 17:33

interesting that only 8% are from ethnic minority, so language can't have been an issue - a real issue in some schools - (how can parents be involved when they get letters full of jargon - not that that the level of jargon matters if they can't speak or read English anyway)

NotRocketSurgery · 25/01/2011 17:37

...and apparently refugees are going to have much less access to free english classes once FE funding rules change - last post I promise - am waiting with baited breath for some answers btw

IntotheNittyGritty · 25/01/2011 19:10

and the ones who dont return the surveys are the ones who moan the loudest

IntotheNittyGritty · 25/01/2011 19:17

Sorry Rocket, that wasnt aimed at you. It was meant as a general comment about most schools.

Talkinpeace · 25/01/2011 19:55

Oasis Mayfield is full of what are most politely called "low aspirational indigenous"

What stuns me is that this school was two disaster schools before Academy status.
Has turned into an UTTER disaster since academy status - riots and losing head teacher etc - and yet the parents still cannot be ARSED to help Ofsted get to the bottom of it.

Lucky all their kids will have benefits to fall back on when they leave. Paid for out of OUR taxes.

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autodidact · 25/01/2011 20:05

There are schools with similar intakes that do not fail the children who attend them. Blaming the parents and painting children as future benefit scroungers stealing your taxes is a pathetic nonsense. These children start with broadly average attainment but then do very badly at this school. The school is clearly to blame and that is why it has been given notice to improve.

Talkinpeace · 25/01/2011 20:11

I'll not blame anybody but this place was turned into an academy to make it better and it got worse and the Academy trust have had the gall to ask the LEA to help them out.
Surely the point of an academy is that they are free of the Lea come good or bad

If an academy was put in special measures and shut down what would happen?

I feel desperately sorry for the people in that area who have NO CHOICE but to send their kids there.

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NotRocketSurgery · 25/01/2011 21:55

heh - IntoTheNitty - if only u knew - I is proper moany

cory · 26/01/2011 08:33

I think it should be remembered that the local parents spent years protesting very vocally about the creation of Oasis Mayfield and its handing over to this Christian organisation. They attended some pretty acrimonious meetings, they wrote petitions, they were even involved in setting up a alternative bid for the management of this school, and their efforts were totally ignored by the local council. The council were determined that Oasis should have it (local rumour has it that the councillor pushing for Oasis has very strong personal ties to this particular organisation). The parents were anything but apathetic!

I was one of the parents who was desperately trying to get any information out of Oasis- in my case re disabled access and SN support- you could as well have been talking to a brick wall! They knew nothing, they were not interested, they hadn't thought about it and however much I nagged them, they did nothing to find things out.

This clueless organisation held their first Open Evening without even bothering to find out if the school building they were standing in was wheelchair adapted! And when we asked, nobody from the organisation volunteered to go and have a look. We went and looked and it wasn't. We then spent weeks in frantic correspondence before the deadline to try to find out about other SN provision: they were unable to answer any of our queries and clearly weren't bothered. But very keen to tell us that it was part of their Christian principles to support disabled pupils- they just weren't prepared to do any thinking about the actual practicalities, such as how are we going to teach a child who cannot get to the classroom.

I spoke to all the secondaries in town about these issues, and it was amazing to see how all the others were eager to engage with the questions and try to provide answers- even if they had to be negative- it was just Oasis who couldn't be bothered!

We fortunately got another school which was not our catchment school. But other parents had to continue to try to get some answers out of this clueless lot- if they have given up after years of being blanked, then I don't blame them! They were anything but apathetic to start with!

What did strike me at that first open evening was not the parents' lack of interest in education (I knew a lot of the parents present and I know how involved they are in their children's education). It was the way the management assumed that we were all negative towards education and kept trying to reassure us that there wouldn't be too much nasty academic learning at this school. The shocked faces of the parents told their own story!

And btw is not true that the intake of Mayfield is wholly "below average attainment": it is not made up of "two disaster schools before Academy status".
Oasis Mayfield also incorporated Woolston school, which specialised in modern languages and got perfectly acceptable results. I would hardly say the demography of Woolston is "low aspirational indigenous"- it seems pretty middle class to me, with a strong community spirit and a great deal of parental involvement in the local infants school. And once upon a time a great deal of parental enthusiasm for the secondary school we did have.

But I can perfectly well understand that parental enthusiasm wears thin if you are never listened to. I only help the new head can turn things round and make them feel it is worth trying to engage with the school.

cory · 26/01/2011 08:59

And btw I hope my post did not suggest that all parents whose children would otherwise have gone to the Grove would be "low aspirational"- if so, that was certainly unintentional, I know that is not the case.

gramercy · 26/01/2011 09:52

Er, Cory, I don't think that Mayfield is in a middle-class area - not by MN standards anyway!

Sadly the area has declined - the major employer has left, many shops are boarded up, teenage pregnancy rates are very high there.

I'm sure with effective leadership and vision the school could - even radically - improve, but you are starting from a challenging base.

More aspirational parents there either find religion or music (being a practising churchgoer or a holder of at least grade 2 piano) to get into one of the Catholic schools in the city, fork out for a private school or move (that would be us!).

cory · 26/01/2011 10:16

I am not saying the whole of the Mayfield are is middle class: I said Woolston is. Not upper middle class, perhaps: I'd say mainly skilled working class/lower middle class. And a fair few people whose income is not in proportion to their education. Or who just stay in Woolston because they like it. I am an academic and I have lived here for close on 18 years. It is possible to be well educated and care about education without having a very high income. There isn't one "Mayfield area"; the current school was made up from widely divergent demographics.

Those of my friends who are moving away from Woolston are moving precisely because they do not want to be in the catchment for what they see as a badly managed school: that is always the reason quoted. Which makes it more ironical to hear people trying to excuse the school management by quoting the decline of the area.

I would count myself as an aspirational parent, in the sense that I expect my children to be well educated and work hard at school, but there is no way I can fork out for a private school or suddenly turn Catholic and I have certainly no intention of moving away. Otoh I do not want to see myself written off as an apathetic parent. Nor do I want it assumed that my friends are either.

Even if 99% of the parents were apathetic (which I do not believe), I know I was not. I tried desperately to get answers from Oasis re my dcs' education: I got nothing. And I don't see how you can excuse that by quoting demographics- surely even a working class disabled child with parents with low aspirations would have the right to support in school?

Talkinpeace · 26/01/2011 11:47

Cory,
I have to admit I partly started the thread as I knew you were one of the parents who had NOT sent a DC to Mayfield, same as I am a parent to has NOT sent DCs to Lordshill.

The demographics in the Ofsted report show that those parent who (like you) give a stuff have walked away, leaving a low aspirational base.
The primaries on the east side of the Itchen are as good as any other in Southampton, it is that school which then fails them.

But I guess my real question is...
If an academy is deemed failing, how can it be put into special measures; which normally involves the LEA parachuting in a new management team and governing body?
Are the Dfee going to take over day to day control of failing academy schools?
It's not as if parents in there can vote with their feet.

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cory · 26/01/2011 12:50

But Talkinpeace, the only reason we could walk away was because dd was in a wheelchair!Sad

My friends who had able bodied children, but not the money to go private or move away, were stuck without options. I don't see how that suddenly turns them into low aspirational, apathetic parents.

We are waiting for ds to go to secondary school from his junior school (catchment for the academy). Again, we are hoping he will be able to move out of catchment due to disability Sad. But looking at his hardworking, lovely, well behaved mates in Yr 6, I don't see how they are going to turn overnight into some kind of "demographic" that would make it impossible to run a good secondary school with them in it. It is clearly not impossible to run a working Yr 6 with them.

What the article in the Echo yesterday highlighted is the fact that Oasis Mayfield pupils do not make expected progress- that is, the progress that could be expected from their achievements at junior school. In that case it seems wrong to blame the parents or the children. There is a reason for publishing value added results, and it is precisely in value added that Oasis seems to fall down. Dd had some very bright friends in Yr 6, with very supportive parents, who totally lost momentum at Oasis. That is what shouldn't be happening.

And I totally agree with your real question. They hadn't thought that through, had they?

gramercy · 26/01/2011 13:12

Sorry, Cory, I didn't mean to cast any aspersions on Woolston as a place - although the demise of Adams Hardware was a great loss to the town Grin

Back to Mayfield - the problems are varied and clearly the current management have not got a handle on the situation. Some problems can be placed at the door of the parents, however, and one of those is the level of truancy.

I also thought it was terrible when the two schools merged and which one did they pick to get rid of? The one in the middle of the town? Oh, no - it was the one with the nice grounds. Councillors had £££ signs in their eyes when this merger was under discussion.

Talkinpeace · 26/01/2011 14:59

I have just asked Ofsted what their procedure is for supporting a school that is heading towards Special Measures.
"Use the LEA"
But they are an Academy
"We'll get back to you"

Gramercy - you are so right. The whole Oasis deal was to do with back scratching not education.
Hence Lordshill being promised their new building to free up BOTH the old sites for housing - just as the market collapsed. Duh.

PS I got my cat from Woolston and (((SDES))) in Bridge road!

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