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please can someone explain to me what are factors and prime factors?

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ssd · 08/09/2010 19:30

am trying to help ds with homework and my brain is much

thanks!

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ssd · 08/09/2010 19:31

mush!Blush

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PandaG · 08/09/2010 19:32

factors are numbers that go into another number for example factors of 12 are, 1,2,3,4,6,12

prime numbers have no other numbers that go into them apart from 1 and the number eg 7,13,19

ssd · 08/09/2010 19:34

thank you!

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ssd · 08/09/2010 19:35

so whats the prime factor of 128? is it 1 and 128? Blush

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lal123 · 08/09/2010 19:36

And prime factors are the prime numbers which when multiplied together give you the number e.g. the prime factors of 10 are 2 and 5

PandaG · 08/09/2010 19:39

the prime factor of 128 is both a prime number, and a factor of 128

this is 2 as 2 divides into 128, and is a prime number

lal123 · 08/09/2010 19:59

no - 128 is not a prime number.

lal123 · 08/09/2010 20:00

Have a look here

PandaG · 08/09/2010 20:08

sorry, I'm not saying 128 is a prime number, I am saying that 2 is a prime number, and 2 is the prime factor of 128

it is 2 to the power of 7 ie 2x2x2x2x2x2x2

OP asked for the prime factor of 128, and it is 2, I didn't want to confuse her with explaining about how to expres a number as the product of its prime factors as that is not waht she was asking - but I probably wasn't very clear - sorry!

ssd · 09/09/2010 18:00

thanks I'm still confused, think I'm just thick at maths!

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gillybean2 · 10/09/2010 01:57

Basically a factor is a number you can divide a given number into a whole number of times.

So if your number is 6 you can divide it by 1 or 2 or 3 or 6. These are all factors of 6. But you can not divide it by 4 or 5 a whole number of times so 4 & 5 are not factors of 6.

A prime number is a number that is only divisible by 1 and itself. 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13 etc Your dc probably knows this sequence already.

So in my example of the number 6 - the prime numbers in the list of factors I've identified are 1, 2 and 3. Leaving six out of the answer as it is not a prime number.

In your question where you need to find the prime factors for 128 I would do it the other way round. ie use the prime number list to see if any of those are a factor of 128.
So 1 and 2 are, but 3 isn't as it doesn't divide by a whole number of times. (128/3 = 42.666)

tokyonambu · 11/09/2010 01:00

The point is that the prime factorisation of a number is unique: there's only one way to express a given number as the product (multiplying together) of a list of prime numbers. A prime is a number greater than one that cannot be divided by any integer other than itself without a remainder: 2 3 5 7 11 13 17. Contrary to what others have said, 1 is not prime: see here for why, but as a warning it's fairly technical within a few paragraphs. The main reason 1 isn't prime is because it breaks the uniqueness property. If 1 were prime, you could factor six as 2.3, 1.2.3, 1.1.2.3, 1.1.1.2.3 and so on.

So the prime factors of 128 (a bad example because it confuses things) are 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 because you can make 128 by multiplying seven twos together. As a better example, the prime factors of 6 are 2 and 3. End of.

There are no "fast" methods to determine the prime factors of a given number (see here). It's one of the open problems of mathematics, and fame awaits any serious progress in the area.

penguin73 · 11/09/2010 13:51

In a nutshell factors are the numbers that will go into another number ie the factors of 12 are 1 and 12 (1x12=12),2 and 6 (2x6=12) and 3 and 3 (3x4=12)

Prime numbers are numbers with no factors other than 1 and themselves eg 13 (you can only make 13 by 1x13)
Prime factors are factors that prime numbers. 1 is not prime though.
So the prime factors of 12 are 2 and 3 (not 1, not 4 as this is divisible by 2 and not 6 or 12 as these are divisible by 2,3,4 and 6)
Easiest way to find them is to start with 2 and keep going...
12 divided by 2 = 6. 6 isn't prime so divide by 2 again. 6 divided by 2 = 3 which is prime. So answers are 2 and 3.
It's easier to show with tree diagrams but can't do them here, look at bbcbitesize for help.

tokyonambu · 11/09/2010 16:06

"Easiest way to find them is to start with 2 and keep going..."

Find a substantially better way and you'll make Einstein look like a minor figure who did a bit of physics.

penguin73 · 11/09/2010 17:25

My point is some people try 2, then 3, then 5 and so on until they have tried all the numbers up to their target rather than halving over and over.

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