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Is it time to end the devolution blame-game? Why the next referendum should be full independence vs abolishing Holyrood.

18 replies

Meeplemakeglasgow · 03/07/2026 11:09

After another depressing read through the political stories throughout the last few (long) months I think it’s time we all faced an uncomfortable reality about the way Scotland is currently governed.

Which is that the devolution experiment has stalled, and it’s turned into a no-win situation for the public.

Instead of delivering effective governance, the current setup has just created a permanent, built-in excuse machine. We are trapped in a cycle where both Parliaments can constantly blame each other for every failure and lack of progress, even when the truth is that both are at fault, or the blame is entirely misplaced.

It’s easy to look at how predictably the political point-scoring plays out when scandals break such as one side relentlessly focusing on the ferries fiasco but completely look the other way when it comes to the eye-watering costs and mismanagement of HS2.

Then the other side will hammer Westminster over Covid procurement scandals (Our beloved Lady Mone) while actively downplaying the police investigation surrounding Peter Murrell and the SNP's internal finances.

More importantly though we see this same dynamic obscuring the truth on the issues that actually matter to day-to-day life, like education and the NHS.

When school attainment gaps widen or NHS waiting times skyrocket, the text-book response from Holyrood is that their hands are tied by Westminster austerity and funding constraints.

Meanwhile Westminster fires back that Holyrood has the budget and the devolved powers, blaming pure incompetence.

The actual truth gets completely buried under a mountain of spin and in a lot of cases both are true to a certain extent.

What this fundamentally means is that politcians on each side are permanently handed a free pass.

They don’t actually have to deliver real progress or solve deep-seated societal issues because they have a pre-fabricated scapegoat waiting across the border. If everything goes wrong, it’s always the other lot's fault.

To make matters worse, look at what’s on the horizon. Andy Burnham is currently pushing his national platform for deep, decentralising reforms across the UK, including his "No. 10 North" initiative and proposals to bypass central power by taking devolution "deeper down" to local regions.

Although I’m old and cynical I genuinely believe if this is extended to Scotland it’s only going to add yet another layer of bureaucratic complexity.

Instead of fixing accountability, it will create an even larger web of bodies to absorb the flak as long as it’s outwith their own party.
It will give politicians a brand-new shield to alleviate their own responsibilities, encouraging further stymieing, buck-passing, and finger-pointing without delivering an ounce of actual progress.

The real truth here is that regardless of which side of the constitutional debate you sit on the status quo is serving none of us.

Unionists shouldn't be happy with a devolved parliament that acts as a permanent grievance engine, and Nationalists shouldn't be happy with a halfway house that restricts full power/economic levers.

A future referendum shouldn't be a rehash of the old "status quo vs. independence" debate. It needs to be a definitive, clear-cut choice to break the deadlock.

That choice should be ‘Full Independence or abolish the Scottish Parliament entirely?’

We either need all the power at Holyrood so there are zero excuses left, or we return to a single unified parliament at Westminster so the buck stops firmly in one place. The middle ground is broken, and it’s time to make a real choice.

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HavingABlether · 03/07/2026 11:54

You're right about the mutual blame game. Wouldn't it be something if they tried to outperform each other instead? SG should try to show how well they can use the powers they have to convince the public to give them more, and Westminster could keep showing how much we benefit from the union. Imagine choosing which is best, instead of least bad.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 03/07/2026 12:05

Although I’m old and cynical I genuinely believe if this is extended to Scotland it’s only going to add yet another layer of bureaucratic complexity

Burnham is already talking out of his arse and betraying his ignorance of all things Scottish. For a start, he's already trying to convince us that the Nationalisation of Water in Scotland would be a good thing, and he appears to be oblivious to the fact that any decision to decentralise power within Scotland rests with Holyrood, not Westminster, unless of course he's talking about Devolving currently Reserved matters, which would involve Westminster handing direct control over those to the SG and not Scottish Councils.

He's just as full of hot air and vacuous soundbites as Starmer, but he's really Northern, so there is that.

BTW, did you know that he's Northern? Really Northern, in fact.

FunnyOrca · 03/07/2026 12:50

Andy Burnham doesn’t understand Scotland. Neither did Keir Starmer or Jeremy Corbyn. I’d argue Ed Milliband had his finger more on the pulse.

The real trouble is that Scotland (and the UK at large) needs big investment projects but with failures like the Edinburgh Trams and HS2, there’s no public backing for things that don’t give an immediate return. Everything is sticking plasters and blame game. It’s a shift in mindset that’s needed. Not everything has to create money.

six666 · 04/07/2026 16:42

Forget another referendum, look what happened with Brexit!
Just abolish the Scottish Parliament entirely due to it's gross incompetence and revert to the old Scottish Office system...

Sulgari · 04/07/2026 16:51

six666 · 04/07/2026 16:42

Forget another referendum, look what happened with Brexit!
Just abolish the Scottish Parliament entirely due to it's gross incompetence and revert to the old Scottish Office system...

Agreed

Meeplemakeglasgow · 05/07/2026 10:14

six666 · 04/07/2026 16:42

Forget another referendum, look what happened with Brexit!
Just abolish the Scottish Parliament entirely due to it's gross incompetence and revert to the old Scottish Office system...

You would find it hard to identify any incompetence in the Scottish parliament which doesn’t have a Westminster equivalent.

Thanks for proving my point though, your statement would make exactly as much sense if reversed.

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six666 · 05/07/2026 13:26

Meeplemakeglasgow · 05/07/2026 10:14

You would find it hard to identify any incompetence in the Scottish parliament which doesn’t have a Westminster equivalent.

Thanks for proving my point though, your statement would make exactly as much sense if reversed.

Now you're just being ridiculous! :-)
I stick by my opinion...

Meeplemakeglasgow · 05/07/2026 15:26

six666 · 05/07/2026 13:26

Now you're just being ridiculous! :-)
I stick by my opinion...

That was a very impressive argument you put forward there.

My point was proven.

You are the strawman that will call out incompetence on one side but not the other.

Exactly why we are getting nowhere as a country.

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six666 · 05/07/2026 15:43

Meeplemakeglasgow · 05/07/2026 15:26

That was a very impressive argument you put forward there.

My point was proven.

You are the strawman that will call out incompetence on one side but not the other.

Exactly why we are getting nowhere as a country.

I was not trying to argue with you. No point as your mind is clearly made up with no room for any other point of view but your own...

Endgames · 05/07/2026 16:54

I’m not sure devolution has failed - politicians are always going to deflect blame, the other layer, the other party. Tbh I’d say that different regions of the uk perhaps have more in common with each other than England vs Scotland - it’s too bad that Labour didn’t come up with this idea 30 years ago…small nation states don’t make a lot of sense to me given the challenges we face are increasingly global. It feels like politics is still fighting outdated nationalist battles.

i don’t think I’d like that choice in a referendum, and I’m interested to see if the regional devolution is going to have merit in the detail.

Nortonhou · 05/07/2026 17:05

Holyrood is failing due to the inability to get past the Indy question. So many anti-English morons want Indy (which would be truly devastating for the Scottish financial position and therefore devastating for public services, the vulnerable etc). These morons vote SNP, despite the fact they’re utterly useless at governing, criminally bad and Scotland is failing under their rule. But we’re stuck with them thanks to the moron vote. Imagine how Scotland could be with intelligent people in charge. It could flourish with all of the cash handed to the SNP. But no, they’re morons so piss it all up the wall keeping their moron voters happy with freebies. It’s all so depressing. I can see no way out other than binning the whole experiment.

Meeplemakeglasgow · 05/07/2026 20:55

six666 · 05/07/2026 15:43

I was not trying to argue with you. No point as your mind is clearly made up with no room for any other point of view but your own...

Edited

It wasn’t me that was being one-sided, if anyone genuinely believes that one government could school the other in competence (no matter what side of the independence debate you are on) then they belong back in school.

Both have been grossly incompetent.

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Meeplemakeglasgow · 05/07/2026 20:57

Nortonhou · 05/07/2026 17:05

Holyrood is failing due to the inability to get past the Indy question. So many anti-English morons want Indy (which would be truly devastating for the Scottish financial position and therefore devastating for public services, the vulnerable etc). These morons vote SNP, despite the fact they’re utterly useless at governing, criminally bad and Scotland is failing under their rule. But we’re stuck with them thanks to the moron vote. Imagine how Scotland could be with intelligent people in charge. It could flourish with all of the cash handed to the SNP. But no, they’re morons so piss it all up the wall keeping their moron voters happy with freebies. It’s all so depressing. I can see no way out other than binning the whole experiment.

Good trolling attempt.

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Nortonhou · 05/07/2026 22:26

Meeplemakeglasgow · 05/07/2026 20:57

Good trolling attempt.

What makes you think I’m trolling? Who in their right mind would vote for a party that promises to try their hardest to bring about a situation that would plunge the majority of the nation into economic hardship. Rely on any form of government hand out? Your f*cked in Indy Scotland. Public sector worker? You too! Got a mortgage and are being paid in groats? Totally stuffed. Work in a heavily regulated private sector role (like finance)? Your job just fled over the border. Nice!

halfpastten · 05/07/2026 22:37

I agree @Meeplemakeglasgowindependence goals have meant total blinkers to the incompetence and corruption of the SNP. Devolution looks like a waste of money. I'd vote to abolish Holyrood or at very least scale it down and reformulate it.

halfpastten · 05/07/2026 22:38

Meant I agree with @Nortonhou

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 05/07/2026 22:47

I am old enough to remember when Scotland, pre-devolution was managed pretty effectively by 9 regional councils instead of the 30-odd we have now.

It was better 😓

Nortonhou · 05/07/2026 23:34

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 05/07/2026 22:47

I am old enough to remember when Scotland, pre-devolution was managed pretty effectively by 9 regional councils instead of the 30-odd we have now.

It was better 😓

So much better!

and education was better, and the nhs. And the transport infrastructure. We’ve slid so far back under the SNP. So far. We’re a country of benefits and immigrants now.

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