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From Concrete Hippos to Commuter Hellscapes: Have we forgotten how to build actual communities in Scotland?

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Meeplemakeglasgow · 23/05/2026 14:12

Did anyone watch Mark Bonnar’s recent documentary Meet You at the Hippos on BBC Scotland?

It’s a nostalgic look at the public art embedded into the Scottish New Towns like Glenrothes, East Kilbride, and Cumbernauld.

It turns out Bonnar’s dad was actually one of the town artists who built the concrete hippos and elephants.

It really made me feel sad about how far Scotland has declined in terms of what we offer people to live a full, dignified life.

The New Towns were a massive socio-economic experiment, obviously not without their flaws, but the intent was pure.

The corporations didn't just throw up cramped brick boxes as cheaply as possible for profit.

They hired the full-time "Town Artists" explicitly to add soul to the surroundings. They built segregated, traffic-free walking paths, embedded local community centres, preserved green space to play, and ensured leisure facilities were central to the blueprint.

They were trying to build a society where ordinary working-class families had art, leisure, safety, and jobs on their doorstep.

Compare that to the soul-destroying reality of what we are building across Scotland today.

Look at any modern housing development springing up outside our major towns and cities—whether it's the sprawling commuter estates in West Lothian, the endless fields of identical detached houses straddling a motorway, or the new builds choking the outskirts of Glasgow and Edinburgh. What do we get now?

We get hundreds of houses, but no shops, no community halls, no pubs, and certainly no public art. If you want a pint of milk, you have to get in a car and drive to a corporate-owned retail park.

Our roads are narrow, choked with parked cars because there's no proper public transport strategy, leaving zero safe space for kids to just go out and play. If there is space it is a bare minimum of effort with developers doing everything they can to cut costs.

In the New Town era, a facility I spent a lot of my youth in was East Kilbride's Dollan Aqua Centre, it was built as a centre we could be proud of and had amazing facilities, I don’t see anything as groundbreaking as that today, just a load of facilities such as swimming pools and ice rings closing with a lot more ‘Pure Gym’ style industrial units taking over.

We seem to have completely retreated into a purely for-profit society. The Scottish Government and local councils have outsourced the entire concept of community-building to private volume housebuilders (the Persimmons, Taylors Woodrows, and Barratts of the world). Their only metric of success is profit-per-square-foot.

We used to believe that all Scots deserved a rich, full life integrated with art, recreation, and community infrastructure. Not just those who can afford to live in cultural hubs.

Now, they are treated as consumers who just need a place to sleep between shifts, parked in a dormitory suburb designed entirely around car dependency and private wealth.

Have we just accepted this decline? Why did we stop demanding that our built environment actually create happy souls instead of healthy balance sheets?

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QwestSprout · 23/05/2026 14:20

"We get hundreds of houses, but no shops, no community halls, no pubs, and certainly no public art. If you want a pint of milk, you have to get in a car and drive to a corporate-owned retail park."

This is true for me and my suburb was built in the early 1950s so this isn't just a recent thing. I have none of those things either.

thedevilinablackdress · 23/05/2026 15:00

QwestSprout · 23/05/2026 14:20

"We get hundreds of houses, but no shops, no community halls, no pubs, and certainly no public art. If you want a pint of milk, you have to get in a car and drive to a corporate-owned retail park."

This is true for me and my suburb was built in the early 1950s so this isn't just a recent thing. I have none of those things either.

Indeed, many post-war tenement -clearance estates had huge problems due to lack of amenities. This from Wikipedia on Easterhouse
"Easterhouse, along with other large housing projects built at that time by Glasgow Corporation, came to prominence in the wider world through its social problems and became a case study for social planners hoping to avoid the same types of problems. For example, the lack of basic amenities, such as shops, sports, other recreational grounds, such as cinemas and poor transport links"
And I remember Billy Connolly saying the same about Drumchapel where he lived as a teenager.

thedevilinablackdress · 23/05/2026 15:02

I do agree about the urban art in the documentary though OP. It's amazing to look back and see what was done to enhance the built environment in some places.

Meeplemakeglasgow · 23/05/2026 17:05

thedevilinablackdress · 23/05/2026 15:02

I do agree about the urban art in the documentary though OP. It's amazing to look back and see what was done to enhance the built environment in some places.

That’s my point exactly, the estates like Easterhouse and Castlemilk suffered from extremely poor planning but the new towns were at least an attempt to improve and fulfil lives.

I sometimes think that we should be looking back at the aims they had and harness them for the future, we are clearly in a housing crisis and instead of looking to build communities we are building estates in the middle of nowhere..

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Meeplemakeglasgow · 23/05/2026 17:20

QwestSprout · 23/05/2026 14:20

"We get hundreds of houses, but no shops, no community halls, no pubs, and certainly no public art. If you want a pint of milk, you have to get in a car and drive to a corporate-owned retail park."

This is true for me and my suburb was built in the early 1950s so this isn't just a recent thing. I have none of those things either.

Yes, and instead of learning from it we are doing the same thing again.

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QuintessentiallyScottish · 23/05/2026 19:25

I saw that programme when it was first on a year or two back @Meeplemakeglasgow , I agree.

They're building houses like they're going out of fashion here, narrowing the roads to accommodate them and the extra traffic they'll bring 🙄, no increase in facilities though, the opposite if anything, as you say.

Art? Ha 🙄

It breaks my heart what our country has become. It still has good points, good people, but so much has gone to shit. And for what? Who benefits? Big building firms and planners? Plenty of feeding the fat cats but no food for the souls of those who need it 😟

OotontheRandan · 23/05/2026 21:05

I loved that programme.

Good planning makes a huge difference. Having strong policy for investment in community art, and spaces for community and retail need to be included in development proposals. We have moved away from the parternalistic style of town planning and now it is plan led but so much pressure comes from developers for sites in locations that havent been planned for because those are the sites the developers have financial options on.

For me, developers build units. They don't tend to build communities or even homes. There is a big difference when the focus is on delivering X units per year instead of focusing on making sure places are built with sevices and facilities (everything from a corner shop to formal and informal play areas and pedestrian first approach to transport) that people need.

ApolloandDaphne · 23/05/2026 21:57

I grew up in Glenrothes in the 60/70s. I was involved in the creation of some of the town art through the school. Most of it has gone now. It was a fab place to grow up then but it's not so great now. The shops are woeful and there doesn't seem to be much for children to do anymore. Lots of really run down areas. There is some regeneration but not enough.

Starbright102 · 23/05/2026 22:05

Iv been in east Kilbride and cumbernauld both somewhat recently and the town centres are utter dumps. What a shame that no further investment has been forthcoming in either area.

Tomorrowisanewday · 24/05/2026 11:29

They were trying to build a society where ordinary working-class families had art, leisure, safety, and jobs on their doorstep.

This is very much what the whole "20 minute neighbourhood" that is being built into current planning regulations is supposed to produce - the problem is that developers are asked to pay contributions to cover facilities such as this, but then local authorities arent spending those funds on the public aspects

OotontheRandan · 24/05/2026 13:46

I love the concept of 20 minute neighbourhoods. Developers tend not to want to pay for it. I assume because they aren't in the business of delivering places to live in but instead just... units. Profit.

It is entirely possible to create new liveable communities (20 minute neighbourhoods being a prime example) and still turn a profit.

2026Mummy · 24/05/2026 21:26

When you go abroad, for example in Germany, housing estates have wonderful parks in the middle with shops and restaurants beside them . It's not rocket science.
Yet new build estates here don't have this . It would help children so much. The government could change this but they won't.

OllyBJolly · 25/05/2026 10:10

My family moved from Castlemilk to East Kilbride. It was a fabulous place to grow up. So many open spaces (well maintained by the EKDC) and great facilities. We had a big swimming pool, great sports centre and several sports grounds, a Safeway, library, bakers and newsagents all in walking distance and hardly any roads to cross because of the underpasses and bridges. The town centre had all the big brand names as well as independents. It was really thriving in the 70s and 80s.

Rents were low to attract people and because it was a development corporation rather than council, you could buy the house at greatly reduced prices after you lived there for a certain amount of time. My parents would never have been able to afford to buy a house any other way.

As a pp says, it's gone downhill a bit now in the centre. I can't help but think that there is a need for that kind of brave social experiment to be repeated now.

Executrixnotextraordinaire · 25/05/2026 15:25

Saw this today @Meeplemakeglasgow and thought of you. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid031JGBqkGA32Udskvrz4Aboo6AfrQZ1KbHsJphwiK47gWCfzUufMUXqz1bJTgh4Uv3l&id=100062960873571
Developers need make no provision for services and councils are so greedy these towns have lots of new housing and no infrastructure to back them up. I grew up in a New Town and its sad to see what they’ve become as they were great places, albeit not perfect, when the corporations had control.

Meeplemakeglasgow · 25/05/2026 19:35

2026Mummy · 24/05/2026 21:26

When you go abroad, for example in Germany, housing estates have wonderful parks in the middle with shops and restaurants beside them . It's not rocket science.
Yet new build estates here don't have this . It would help children so much. The government could change this but they won't.

Really strange you should mention that, I was in Germany a few years ago and went to a housing estate that felt exactly like East Kilbride did when in was growing up.

If It wasn’t the same architects that designed it then I’d be really surprised, at the very least there was definitely some inspiration going on.

But this place hadn’t declined the way the East Kilbride estates have, there was still shops open, good transport networks, community gardens and most importantly children running around playing completely traffic free.

Honestly it made me so sad what we as a country have thrown away.

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Meeplemakeglasgow · 25/05/2026 19:39

OllyBJolly · 25/05/2026 10:10

My family moved from Castlemilk to East Kilbride. It was a fabulous place to grow up. So many open spaces (well maintained by the EKDC) and great facilities. We had a big swimming pool, great sports centre and several sports grounds, a Safeway, library, bakers and newsagents all in walking distance and hardly any roads to cross because of the underpasses and bridges. The town centre had all the big brand names as well as independents. It was really thriving in the 70s and 80s.

Rents were low to attract people and because it was a development corporation rather than council, you could buy the house at greatly reduced prices after you lived there for a certain amount of time. My parents would never have been able to afford to buy a house any other way.

As a pp says, it's gone downhill a bit now in the centre. I can't help but think that there is a need for that kind of brave social experiment to be repeated now.

Think I was there in some of the same era as you @OllyBJolly .

It really was an amazing place to grow up, makes me sad now when I look at what it’s become, not only the estates that have been left to decline but also the isolated new estates that have no element of togetherness at all.

I couldn’t imagine Jackton being a fulfilling place to spend time as a child, or especially a teenager.

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Meeplemakeglasgow · 25/05/2026 19:41

Executrixnotextraordinaire · 25/05/2026 15:25

Saw this today @Meeplemakeglasgow and thought of you. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid031JGBqkGA32Udskvrz4Aboo6AfrQZ1KbHsJphwiK47gWCfzUufMUXqz1bJTgh4Uv3l&id=100062960873571
Developers need make no provision for services and councils are so greedy these towns have lots of new housing and no infrastructure to back them up. I grew up in a New Town and its sad to see what they’ve become as they were great places, albeit not perfect, when the corporations had control.

Thank you for this, really says it all.

Really worry this is just going to get worse.!

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