Voilent assaults in school

[Liverpool2025]

Two in the past week. Primary.

I feel like it's been done to death on here but really, what are we doing to our young people?! Why is no one responsible for keeping children safe in school.

I have read the BBC article but admittedly haven't read the new guidance. However, this really stood out for me: 'for children who are being violent one consequence is to give them a laminated piece of paper with bullet points reminding them how to behave and step away.' Seriously? How on earth is that supposed to be effective???

It’s hard to believe the people who make this stuff up have ever met a teenager, let alone been one themselves! Comments like that just highlight how little effort the government are making here. They haven’t even tried thinking at all.

For children who are being violent one consequence is to give them a laminated piece of paper with bullet points reminding them how to behave and step away.'

Never heard so much nonsense. Don't they think that long suffering teachers have tried absolutely everything available to them already?

My mother was a teacher and was full of the "Load of nonsense that teachers can't get kids to behave. Wouldn't have happened in my day etc etc"
When I pointed out to her that back in her day kids just wouldn't have behaved that badly and that they had sanctions to deal with it, she couldn't say anything.

Kids know that teachers can't do anything about their behaviour and behave accordingly.

I have read the guidance but can't see clear consequences for actions, only my alternative arrangements for children causing harm to others.

Also, where is the focus on those being harmed? There isn't one.

What it needed was if X happens, y should happen.

Also, if incidents are recorded on Seemis, where does that go?

I retired from my middle manager post 7 yrs ago. I can't recall whether we used SEEMIS to record violent incidents, but we did record them electronically. (We definitely used SEEMIS for attendance.)

Nothing ever happened - our HT simply had them all closed down as having been dealt with.

I'd get SLT pulling the "s/he is only a problem in your department" line until I discovered that I could get into the referrals for all departments. That made very interesting reading.

I made a point of telling my faculty that they too could check for reports on pupils who had kicked off in their classrooms, so that they would be armed with an overview if SLT ever tried to speak to them directly instead of going through the middle managers.

We filled in endless Violenf Incident report forms about a particular pupil which were meant to be sent on to the education department . He then made a false allegation which involved the police. When we said he was a repeat offender there was no evidence as the HT hadn't sent any of our forms on.
Instead of him getting into trouble it was brushed under the carpet. He was friends with some council bigwigs and they used to socialise together.

My colleague has a pupil whose EHCP says he can't be sanctioned in any way. His litigious mother has informed him of this fact, and he boasts about how he runs the schook

Yes we had one like that too.
He used to boast that he could do anything he liked at school but behaved at BBs or tae kwon do because he'd be thrown out.
Worst of all his mother was a teacher. She always said it was our fault as we we weren't meeting his needs

Thank fuck he'll be in P7. We'll be celebrating this time next year.

The bleeding hearts with minds so open their brains have fallen out don’t appear to have reflected on the fact that these ‘inclusion at all costs and no exclusions’ policies are majorly failing violent perpetrators too.

A child who learns and then knows that there are no effective sanctions for illegal behaviour has no reason or motivation to change. They are unlikely to be able to hold down a job or restrain violent impulses as they age. It’s one of the reasons why the outcomes for so-called ‘cared for’ children are so poor in Scotland- more likely to go to
prison than higher education.

I really feel sorry for the pupils who struggle academically but, with PSA help, could make good progress. Unfortunately in my experience, virtually all PSA was having to be used for behaviour issues