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George Watsons

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Eastcoastie · 04/05/2024 20:49

There are a couple of posters on here who have spoken about poor experiences at Watsons regarding their children transitioning. I think the cases were a reported couple of years ago and obviously you hope things have changed. There was an article in the Times last summer with the outgoing head giving pro trans views and now this was in the news a couple of days ago. It isnt just Watsons, Knox Academy has a similar story on the go too. It doesnt seem to have made the papers yet. What can be done to stop this brainwashing cult in our schools?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13373523/Parents-student-private-school-Edinburgh-reported-social-workers-staff-refused-affirm-daughters-trans-identity.html

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Waitwhat23 · 04/05/2024 21:21

Ah, I wondered which East Lothian secondary it was.

Schools need to get rid of the proper dodgy LGBT Youth Scotland and their charters.

Eastcoastie · 04/05/2024 22:24

@Waitwhat23 i agree but how can we make this happen? The schools say they are operating in line with Scot Gov rules.

Here is an article with more. Its pay walled so have copied the text
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/19/lgbt-charity-scotland-teachers-parents-trans-children/

Radical LGBT charity encourages teachers not to tell parents their children are trans

Guidance influenced by LGBT Youth Scotland which receives nearly £1 million a year in public funding

Daniel Sanderson, Scottish Correspondent 19 April 2024

Teachers are being told not to inform parents if their child is transgender in guidance written by a school signed up to a radical LGBT charity’s inclusion scheme.
A “coming out” guide for staff at Knox Academy in East Lothian informs staff that it is “good practice” not to inform parents about a child’s social transition from one gender to another without their permission.
Social transitioning is when someone begins to live as their preferred gender in public, for example, changing pronouns, wearing different clothing and going by a different name.
At another school in the county, North Berwick High, discussions were held over possible “problems” that changes to official records could cause as parents could discover their child had changed their name when reports were sent home.
In both cases it is understood that the guidance was penned by staff who were informed by a radical charity, LGBT Youth Scotland, which received almost £1 million per year in public money.
The charity also hosts “coming out” guides on its website, including letter templates telling children how to officially change their name at school, and advising them teachers must not let their parents know about a gender change unless they are “at risk of harm”.
The SNP Government faced calls to urgently review trans policies regarding children following the publication of the Cass Review, which urged caution over social transitioning and warned that it could lead to children going on to harmful medical pathways.
The Telegraph revealed on Thursday that as part of a controversial “charter scheme” run by LGBT Youth Scotland, schools including primaries were appointing children “LGBT champions” and being urged to question pupils about their sexual orientation and gender.
Schools who signed up to the charity’s scheme, for a fee normally of at least £850, were ranked on how well they catered for LGBTQ+ pupils and were given guides to follow to best achieve this.
It is backed by the Scottish Government and more than half of the country’s secondary schools, and at least 40 of its primary schools, are signed up.
Part of the documentation sent to the charity by Knox Academy East Lothian, and disclosed under Freedom of Information legislation, includes a staff guide for pupils “coming out”.
The policy had apparently been drawn up as part of its bid to win charter status from the charity, which tells schools to rewrite policies to ensure they are “inclusive”.
Under a section entitled “good practice”, it states: “A transgender young person may not have told their family about their gender identity.
“A young person may not have told their family about their sexuality. Inadvertent disclosure could cause needless stress for the young person or could put them at risk.
“Therefore, it is best to not disclose information to parents or carers without the young person’s permission.”
The guide also encourages staff to ask for a child’s name and pronouns, not to “deny their identity” or to “overly question their understanding of their gender identity” if they say they are trans. Meanwhile, a “champions” meeting at North Berwick High was held in May 2022, in which staff and pupils discussed the issue of parents being alerted to a name change as a result of alterations to the official records system, known as SEEMiS.While the school said all name changes to date had been made with parental consent, it was warned that formal changes “could cause problems” if a child wanted to keep their gender identity and new name from their parents.
“R has advised that pupils can request this [a formal name change] but must be made aware that any official documents going home (ie reports) will have the name change on them,” the minute says.
Simon Calvert, deputy director of the Christian Institute, said the Cass Review had been clear that social transition had “medical implications” and should not take place without medical supervision.
“The idea they can keep parents out of decision is wrong’Meanwhile, a “champions” meeting at North Berwick High was held in May 2022, in which staff and pupils discussed the issue of parents being alerted to a name change as a result of alterations to the official records system, known as SEEMiS.
While the school said all name changes to date had been made with parental consent, it was warned that formal changes “could cause problems” if a child wanted to keep their gender identity and new name from their parents.
“R has advised that pupils can request this [a formal name change] but must be made aware that any official documents going home (ie reports) will have the name change on them,” the minute says.
Simon Calvert, deputy director of the Christian Institute, said the Cass Review had been clear that social transition had “medical implications” and should not take place without medical supervision.
“The idea that a teacher can just decide on the spot, the first time a kid speaks to them about gender confusion, to socially transition them by using whatever pronouns or name the child wants, is clearly wrong,” he said.
“The idea that they can try to keep their parents – and therefore their doctors – out of the decision is not just wrong, it is unprofessional. Any school following this approach may be putting itself in a legally vulnerable position.”
A spokesman for East Lothian Council, which is responsible for the schools, said the policy was based on Scottish Government guidelines.
He added: “This is underpinned by key legislation and established children’s rights respecting approaches including, but not limited to, the Equality Act 2010, Getting it Right for Every Child, the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, and data protection legislation and principles.
“This ensures learning environments which are safe, respectful and inclusive for all.”
LGBT Youth Scotland was contacted for comment.

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Waitwhat23 · 04/05/2024 23:57

The Scottish Government continues to plough money into LGBT Youth Scotland despite historic safeguarding issues -

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/snp-government-criticised-fail-answer-28848017

Safeguarding doesn't seem to be a particular concern for the Scottish Government, across the board and they're trying their best to ignore the Cass Report. There's absolute fanatics in the SG who need voted out.

rogdmum · 05/05/2024 06:41

That’s me- I’ve posted quite a bit about it here.

LGBTYS and other lobby groups (signposting to Mermaids etc) needs to be removed from schools, but what really needs to happen is for schools to stop looking at gender distress through the lens of a social justice movement and to look at social transition as the psycho-social intervention that it is. And understand that school staff are not competent to make the decision to support it.

At Watson’s (and possibly other schools as well) the problem is wider than that, though. IMO, how parents are treated when they raise serious concerns needs a complete overhaul. Our daughter was effectively removed from normal safeguarding processes and then school staff lied to us and about us, making a raft of false accusations. Despite our providing full email trails and documentation, the school continued to lie all the way through a regulatory investigation by the Independent School Registrar. Our experience was one of dismiss, deny, discredit, reminiscent of how the treated the parents of the poor girl who was so badly bullied back in 2017.

And for the record, despite the puff PR response by the school to journalists, the school has absolutely positively NOT apologised to us. In fact, they have cited the “current political environment” and given “it was all investigated, nothing to see here” message to current parents.

Ginny98 · 05/05/2024 09:23

Why wouldn’t a child tell their parents they’re trans?

TheBanffie · 05/05/2024 10:05

The school have confirmed that LGBT youth scotland are not involved with Watson's now at least. Why the Scottish Government are still funding them is a mystery. One to ask your MSP about!

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