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Humza- is Qatar just a holiday?

33 replies

Shouldgetupearlier · 13/02/2024 15:49

How much money is he donating this time do you think?
Anyone else concerned that he’s a massive security risk for Scotland?

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Veronicaisaflower · 13/02/2024 15:51

Have you been drinking?

Shouldgetupearlier · 13/02/2024 15:54

Well it’s not a known tourist destination is it?

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Shouldgetupearlier · 13/02/2024 15:59

I’m concerned that our country is not being run effectively, and money meant for Scotland specifically is being siphoned off elsewhere. I’m not against foreign aid, but that has a set budget from the U.K. government.

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BigBoysDontCry · 13/02/2024 16:14

Not quite sure why your post would make you racist or are we not allowed to criticise our public servants anymore if they aren't white?

Anyway, yes he is a threat to security because he fails to think through the consequences of his actions and is funding terrorism whether deliberately or not.

And since when did having concerns about someone's motives suddenly become a conspiracy theory?

Honestly some folk just don't want to open their eyes to the corrupt SNP

Scottish people already contribute to the budget for foreign aid, there is no need to be spending more of the cash allocated to Scottish matters to further foreign aid regardless of whether the destination is one we support or not.

Even if all it is is a holiday, it's an unwise and unusual choice of destination for someone in his position.

DelphiniumBlue · 13/02/2024 16:17

I would suspect the motives of anyone who holidays in Qatar.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 13/02/2024 16:21

What's going on with Humza and Qatar. I feel the risk is in him being closely linked to Gaza and if he's travelling to Quatar I think the fact that Hamas HQ is based there would certainly make him possibly appear a non neutral force on the world stage, surely he's not that unrealistic.....

therealcookiemonster · 13/02/2024 17:51

Shouldgetupearlier · 13/02/2024 15:54

Well it’s not a known tourist destination is it?

actually it is... especially for Muslims as halal friendly resorts etc.

therealcookiemonster · 13/02/2024 17:53

BigBoysDontCry · 13/02/2024 16:14

Not quite sure why your post would make you racist or are we not allowed to criticise our public servants anymore if they aren't white?

Anyway, yes he is a threat to security because he fails to think through the consequences of his actions and is funding terrorism whether deliberately or not.

And since when did having concerns about someone's motives suddenly become a conspiracy theory?

Honestly some folk just don't want to open their eyes to the corrupt SNP

Scottish people already contribute to the budget for foreign aid, there is no need to be spending more of the cash allocated to Scottish matters to further foreign aid regardless of whether the destination is one we support or not.

Even if all it is is a holiday, it's an unwise and unusual choice of destination for someone in his position.

genuine question. how is he funding terrorism. please can you provide links?

BigBoysDontCry · 13/02/2024 18:08

I don't think I need links as it's widely reported . He gave £750k of Scottish money to an "organisation" with proven terrorism links.

AgentProvocateur · 13/02/2024 18:09

Qatar is a popular tourism destination for Muslims, actually. As is Saudi.

therealcookiemonster · 13/02/2024 18:11

BigBoysDontCry · 13/02/2024 18:08

I don't think I need links as it's widely reported . He gave £750k of Scottish money to an "organisation" with proven terrorism links.

i havent come across any such allegations and i spend a lot of time keeping up with current affairs. which organisation are you referring to please?

i appreciate you dont need links clearly as you seem to have read about it already but i would like to understand more re the actual allegations being made against him too so I would be grateful if you could provide links. many thanks

BigBoysDontCry · 13/02/2024 18:14

You could try Google? 🙄

therealcookiemonster · 13/02/2024 18:15

BigBoysDontCry · 13/02/2024 18:14

You could try Google? 🙄

you could maybe not be rude?

therealcookiemonster · 13/02/2024 18:47

thank you for this😊

however no allegations have been proven. those that the allegations are against have already been sacked and investigations are ongoing. even if they are guilty, this does not make the whole (massive organisation) complicit. I mean Lucy letby and harold shipman worked for the nhs, doesn't make all NHS staff murderers

besides, Israel has been calling the whole of the UN terrorist sympathisers since its inception. as very inconveniently for Israeli politicians, the UN calls them out on their deplorable land grabs and oppression of Palestinians. like in the boy who cried wolf, I am a little sceptical until the evidence is confirmed.

finally, while these are allegations, we see everyday the heinous actions of the Israeli government against innocent civilians in gaza and the west Bank. currently the barely surviving gazans are being bombed in rafah (where they were forced to go) and the idf + israeli civilians are blocking essntial aid to these starving, dying people. but our UK government and many others continue to send 'aid' (bombs/jets etc) to Israel while cutting off aid to unrwa based on unproven 'allegations' directed to individuals who have already been sacked. if that is not hypocrisy, I don't know what is.

I have no particular opinion on humza, he may have many faults - but continuing to support unrwa is not something I can criticise him for.

Shouldgetupearlier · 13/02/2024 19:00

But didn’t the Israelis find hostages in Rafah?

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therealcookiemonster · 13/02/2024 19:07

Shouldgetupearlier · 13/02/2024 19:00

But didn’t the Israelis find hostages in Rafah?

that's even more reason not to bomb there! so far, they have done an abysmal job of getting the hostages released and Israeli citizens themselves are utterly frustrated (you remember the recent protests?). I would reccommend you read some of the Israeli news papers such as haaretz if you aren't already to get a feel for their upset at their governments ridiculous actions.

also hamas are everywhere. bombing everyone is not the solution. ultimately all you end up doing is killing mainly civilians as combatants are better at hiding/surviving and creating future hamas supporters.

violence begets violence. the real solution is ceasefire and international involvement on the ground in order to create a realistic two state solution where Palestinians have actual self government and are free from oppression. only then will the innocents on both sides be secure.

BigBoysDontCry · 13/02/2024 19:17

therealcookiemonster · 13/02/2024 18:47

thank you for this😊

however no allegations have been proven. those that the allegations are against have already been sacked and investigations are ongoing. even if they are guilty, this does not make the whole (massive organisation) complicit. I mean Lucy letby and harold shipman worked for the nhs, doesn't make all NHS staff murderers

besides, Israel has been calling the whole of the UN terrorist sympathisers since its inception. as very inconveniently for Israeli politicians, the UN calls them out on their deplorable land grabs and oppression of Palestinians. like in the boy who cried wolf, I am a little sceptical until the evidence is confirmed.

finally, while these are allegations, we see everyday the heinous actions of the Israeli government against innocent civilians in gaza and the west Bank. currently the barely surviving gazans are being bombed in rafah (where they were forced to go) and the idf + israeli civilians are blocking essntial aid to these starving, dying people. but our UK government and many others continue to send 'aid' (bombs/jets etc) to Israel while cutting off aid to unrwa based on unproven 'allegations' directed to individuals who have already been sacked. if that is not hypocrisy, I don't know what is.

I have no particular opinion on humza, he may have many faults - but continuing to support unrwa is not something I can criticise him for.

That was a quick study.

I can happily criticise him for it.

There was a ceasefire, Israel didn't break it. We could argue about this all day long and achieve nothing though.

Do I think the IDA are paragons of virtue? No. Do I think Hamas are the people to blame here? Absolutely.

If hamas/Palestine genuinely laid down arms tomorrow there could be peace. If Israel laid down its arms it would be wiped out.

therealcookiemonster · 13/02/2024 19:23

BigBoysDontCry · 13/02/2024 19:17

That was a quick study.

I can happily criticise him for it.

There was a ceasefire, Israel didn't break it. We could argue about this all day long and achieve nothing though.

Do I think the IDA are paragons of virtue? No. Do I think Hamas are the people to blame here? Absolutely.

If hamas/Palestine genuinely laid down arms tomorrow there could be peace. If Israel laid down its arms it would be wiped out.

you are welcome to your opinion. I don't agree obviously. I doubt anything I say will change your mind, so happy to agree to disagree.

i have been aware of this unrwa situation but just wasn't sure if that is what was referring to

it's a complex situation and I am always open to reading and learning more and being aware that even the experts are not necessarily aware of all the moving pieces

Ineedaholiday23 · 13/02/2024 20:23

Children are being blown to pieces. Are they to blame for being murdered?

Ineedaholiday23 · 13/02/2024 20:25

Also, fyi @BigBoysDontCry , Israel has taken (and tortured) many individuals.

BigBoysDontCry · 13/02/2024 20:41

Ineedaholiday23 · 13/02/2024 20:23

Children are being blown to pieces. Are they to blame for being murdered?

Jeez. 🙄

And quite how is Scottish taxpayer money being given to terrorists going to stop this exactly?

Maybe if Hamas wasn't using them to be collateral damage that might help?

Everyone is welcome to make their own choices about who they wish to support both morally and with charity.

There are many many threads on this all over mumsnet.

Motheranddaughter · 14/02/2024 13:09

I don’t think the Scottish government should be providing overseas aid as this is within the remit of the UK government
Regardless of the cause

Februaryfeels · 14/02/2024 13:24

Motheranddaughter · 14/02/2024 13:09

I don’t think the Scottish government should be providing overseas aid as this is within the remit of the UK government
Regardless of the cause

This.

He happily spends our money on something for which he has no remit.

How dare he. If him and his shower got on with actually making life better for Scotland perhaps he would face less criticism