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Anyone able to tell me about schools in East Renfrewshire?

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VictorBaucherOrSomething · 13/11/2023 20:35

We have family in East Ren area and are looking to move there from another council area soon. Eldest DC is high school age and the areas we are looking at are in catchment for Williamwood and Mearns Castle. I know that on paper these are seen as good schools however I've heard that Williamwood as a big issue with bullying, has anyone heard anything similar? Don't know a great deal about Mearns Castle but anything that anyone can advise me on would be great, thanks!

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Suunnyd · 14/11/2023 00:04

As you say, both schools consistantly achieve some of the best results in the country. Since williamwood moved closer to busby, the catchment area has become more varied, resulting in a very wide social mix. IMO, this has contributed to the increase in bullying and anti social behavior issues. Clarkston side of Williamwood is desirable place to live. Not much going on though, mostly just lots of housing. I don't know much about Mearnscastle but i have friends in Mearns and they say its a nice place to live. Where are you looking?

VictorBaucherOrSomething · 14/11/2023 07:25

@Suunnyd thanks, it's likely a 3 bed semi in Clarkaton or somewhere in Eaglesham, that's what our budget is allowing for going by recent sold prices.

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DirtyWeeRascal · 14/11/2023 08:19

My son is at Williamwood and hasn't heard much about bullying there. He finds the teachers very supportive and loves all the clubs they offer.

Meeplemakeglasgow · 14/11/2023 10:47

I’ve lived in East Ren for too long OP, my kids and most of my neices/nephews have all either been or currently at schools here.

In the Eastwood area all schools get great results, Woodfarm was seen as the weaker school but is now outperforming most other schools here.

In my experience the schools all have a different culture with both good and bad things in all.

St Ninian’s tops the results league table and is hugely academically focused, my SIL teaches here and apparently the school is miles ahead of the others in terms of pupils who get straight A’s.

It can come at a cost though as the school is extremely disciplined by modern standards and pupils who aren’t academically gifted and struggle with discipline find it hard.

Woodfarm seems to have a more supportive environment and as mentioned before now outperforms most other schools. Lots of clubs here and also focused on sports more than most.

There is however some snobbery as it was seen as the ‘poorer’ catchment in ER because it includes Thornliebank. Which is a lot of nonsense really as even in Thornliebank houses near the school go for a comparative fortune.

Williamwood again is quite a good school, my oldest went here and done well, as did most of her peer group. When she was there there were issues with bullying and she spoke of drug use among the pupils, but it would be naive to think that doesn’t go on at most schools.

In her year it tended to be the more well-off kids who would try to bully the not so well-off ones, not claiming that’s always the case but there’s a trend at that school to blame poorer kids for everything and often it’s the inverse that true. Many parents here have an entitled attitude that seems to be passed on to their kids.

Mearns Castle is much the same as Williamwood only in Newton Mearns, not heard many bad things about this apart from racist graffiti appearing from time to time (the school has large numbers of Jews & Muslims so this rears it head sometimes).

The catchment is the most uniform in terms of social background as it’s the school in ‘the posh half’ of the mearns, whether you think that’s a good thing or not is up to you.

Eastwood is the school in ‘The poor half’ (I say this ironically, there is no poor half there. It’s just the fact Whitecraigs/Broom/Kirkhill are more the old money parts) of the mearns. Again it’s a very good school but just doesn’t seem to get quite as high results as the other most years.

Snobbery is rife here as well though with many parents blaming that on the kids bussed in from the less-affluent villages surrounding mearns.

The fact is though that all the schools are amongst the best state schools in Scotland, I if your child is academic and private schools aren’t an option then it is your best bet.

It’s not a magic wand though, if a child isn’t academic it won’t be the best environment for them.

There are also many more important factors that contribute to ER’s success other than the schools.

Namely the kids tend to come from more affluent backgrounds with professional supportive parents who value education.

East Ren as a whole is a great area but feels like a bit of a bubble, some people are great but many others seem to have a questionable grip on reality.

For example I’m in a couple of local Facebook groups and find it hilarious what people complain about, you would honestly think the mearns was under siege by gangs because some kids hit a window with and egg.

Even the MSP went to the press a few weeks ago because of some minor vandalism in Maidenhill.

Good luck in your choice OP!

VictorBaucherOrSomething · 14/11/2023 16:54

Thanks for the replies.

So what you're saying @Meeplemakeglasgow is parts of ER are full of MC pearl clutches? 😂 I have heard about the drugs and bullying at WW, especially one horrific story about a boy who was hospitalised after an attack on school grounds earlier this year.

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Meeplemakeglasgow · 14/11/2023 23:58

No problem.

Yes, half the people here have no idea of life outside East Ren.

Could tell you many tales of entitlement that would last hours.

Didn’t hear about that incident but doesn’t surprise me, unfortunately these things happen everywhere.

A lot of kids here have time-poverty, where their parents think getting them everything they want will solve everything but don’t actually spend any time with them to help them become decent people.

So not perfect by any means but still the best choice around Glasgow in my eyes.

Itawapuddytat · 15/11/2023 13:36

DS is currently studying at Williamwood. He enjoys it, has a solid group of friends, the teachers are very supportive, and so far we haven't had any bullying issues. However, I wouldn't say there are none, as I am sure every school has problems with drugs, bullying, truancy etc at least now and then.

jodes7001 · 18/11/2023 08:00

Just curious, we are about to move to Clarkston (I am from California) with our kids going to the local primary and then to Williamwood. Can someone local to this area let me know if the demographic vibe is? Is it mostly Scottish people with a mix of international people who have bought houses and a lot coming in from the west end? Or is it mostly people born and bred in this area? Lastly just for fun, do people in east Renfrewshire have Glaswegian accents or does it sound different? Very curious how my kids accents will change 😝

Imicola · 18/11/2023 14:32

A lot of my colleagues live in the area, and my work place has a pretty diverse demographic, so i think you'll find more of a mix compared to other parts. Not sure on accents... again I imagine as a reasonably wealthy area there will be more of a mix, I doubt your kids would grow up with a broad glaswegian accent, but you never know!

Suunnyd · 18/11/2023 18:09

@jodes7001 There are very few international people in Clarkston - and across East Ren generally. They would be a definite minority. Most people who live there are from the area or closeby. Your kids will likely gain a soft west of Scotland accent, they will not sound like broad Glasweigens but if they met someone from Edinburgh, the Edinburgh person will be able to tell they have grown up in the west.

VictorBaucherOrSomething · 18/11/2023 19:40

@Meeplemakeglasgow whereabouts did the Busby kids go to school before Williamwood moved to its current site? I asked DH, who went to the old WW back in the 90s, but he doesn't have a clue.

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Bibbitybobbitty · 18/11/2023 19:46

Busby was always in WW catchment anyway.

I have 3, 2 currently there & both happy with school support etc & have great friendship groups. To the person who said there's nothing going on in Clarkston, no idea what their experience is but clearly live a different life to ours, heaps of great clubs for kids including teens, decent restaurants & pubs locally & great community feel for those who put any effort into getting involved.

Meeplemakeglasgow · 18/11/2023 20:51

I didn’t understand that either, there’s loads for kids to do in and around Clarkston.

Lots of sports clubs, activities & parks etc..

Has quite a bustling main st with cafes/restaurants, which is quite rare these days.

As for the catchment thing, if I’m honest that comment pi**ed me off as it came across as someone who was trying to blame any problems the school had on kids from Busby who they clearly feel are from the wrong ‘social mix’.

For a start I’m not sure in what world Busby could be considered a deprived area but it just proves my point about the utter entitlement and detachment from reality some people in East Ren have.

Indiana2021 · 18/11/2023 22:13

but it just proves my point about the utter entitlement and detachment from reality some people in East Ren have.

Agreed! Anytime there's any trouble hordes of local parents insist it's the fault of the bad boys from elsewhere.

Invest in a set of blinkers and you'll fit in just fine.

Suunnyd · 18/11/2023 22:16

Apologies if my comments hit a nerve.

Clarkston is quite big. If you are not at the end with the station/main st etc, i dont think there is much going on and you really will need a car.

I dont blame the Busby kids for any issues WW has and never suggested that, but I do think the move has changed things - this thread specifically asks about bullying problems.

As I said in my first reply, WW is in the top 10 state schools in the country. Any issues need to be taken in context and the school is clearly far better than the overwhelming majority.

Meeplemakeglasgow · 20/11/2023 13:14

“Since williamwood moved closer to busby, the catchment area has become more varied, resulting in a very wide social mix. IMO, this has contributed to the increase in bullying and anti social behavior issues”

Struggling to see how you suggested anything else to be honest?

You specifically called out that the ‘wide social mix’ resulting in WW’s move closer to Busby had ‘contributed to the increase in bullying and anti social behaviour issues’.

That’s nothing more than a dog whistle warning that poorer kids might be attending the school.

Suunnyd · 20/11/2023 16:17

@Meeplemakeglasgow yes, i do think the social mix has caused issues and stand by that. I dont blame one particular group though and you have read into my comments something which i didnt say. In my experience which has caused my thoughts on the matter, it was the child from the relatively poorer family being picked on although im sure this boy isnt the only kid at the school who has been picked on and it likely goes both ways. In this instance, some of the bullying was physical, including being put in a bin, but some was name calling and being made fun off for his jacket being a supermarket brand.

Meeplemakeglasgow · 21/11/2023 15:53

Fair enough, think it was just the fact you specifically called out Busby and a wide social mix as the issue that made me think it was a typical East Ren ‘blame everything on the poorer kids’ comment..

Some of the comments I hear around East Ren still amaze me and I’ve been here nearly 20 years.

One of the Mums at my son’s football team was seriously suggesting that teams from EK shouldn’t be allowed to play against them as they were ‘too rough’ and ‘jealous’.

Nothing to do with the fact the EK Teams are just better and half the boys in our team would be scared to stand up to their own shadow of course.

Hilarious that they she thinks the EK kids would be jealous though, seriously, you live in a semi in Clarkston hen, not Merchiston.

Meeplemakeglasgow · 21/11/2023 16:03

Yes, like this incident for example..

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/16407877.clarkston-park-attack-saw-knife-thugs-ambushed-exam-results-teens/

Which was horrific but barely any mention at all of what happened to provoke it apart from bottles being thrown earlier.

In a park which was was flooded by WW Pupils who were all drinking, out of glass bottles funnily enough.

Of course all the MPs/MSPs were out in the press over it, remember thinking that if it was the boys from Castlemilk who came off worst I bet they wouldn’t have had the same reaction.

Saw and knife thugs ambushed exam results celebrations in savage park attack

A shocking incident.

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/16407877.clarkston-park-attack-saw-knife-thugs-ambushed-exam-results-teens/

Meeplemakeglasgow · 21/11/2023 16:08

As far as I know Busby was always in the WW Catchment, it had been as long as I’ve been here and that’s been going on 20 years.

Rainbowshit · 24/11/2023 09:21

Meeplemakeglasgow · 21/11/2023 16:08

As far as I know Busby was always in the WW Catchment, it had been as long as I’ve been here and that’s been going on 20 years.

Yep Busby has been in the Williamwood catchment for decades so the previous poster is mistaken that the change in the location of the school changed the intake demographic.

If anything Busby has become more middle class as time has gone on.

Medee · 09/12/2023 08:32

I’m an ex old WW (wonder if I know the OP’s DH!) so this is interesting to read.

I moved elsewhere in Scotland but occasionally ponder a move home, especially as parents ageing. ER would be an obvious choice, but I’m so out of touch with the education, after 2 decades elsewhere. Are any of the mentioned high schools particularly good at supporting ASN?

AuContraire · 13/12/2023 14:33

VictorBaucherOrSomething · 18/11/2023 19:40

@Meeplemakeglasgow whereabouts did the Busby kids go to school before Williamwood moved to its current site? I asked DH, who went to the old WW back in the 90s, but he doesn't have a clue.

30 years ago the Busby catchment school was Mearns Castle.

Wanderinstar80 · 14/12/2023 08:29

I'd

Wanderinstar80 · 14/12/2023 08:36

Sorry 😳 fat fingers.

@Medee I'd say be wary of WW in particular with children with ASN. My friend has a DS there who has been assaulted several times by other pupils and now has anxiety issues as a result. The teachers don't seem to know what to do about it either. Heard other stories too, apparently a boy was in a so called safe space on school grounds and ended up in hospital with a fractured skull after being attacked by two other boys. School tried to downplay it and the parent got the head of education dept and local Councillor involved last I heard.