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Yousless could use early snap election to secure independence

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SirChenjins · 12/03/2023 18:13

How does that work - and how does he prove that the majority of us want independence from a general Scottish election, given that people vote on lots of different issues? Or if the turnout is low?

Is this just more posturing from the maddies in Govt at Holyrood?

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Shelefttheweb · 16/03/2023 14:15

Babdoc · 16/03/2023 14:13

It costs the taxpayer £600 million per year to run Holyrood and the Scottish assembly, including MSPs’ salaries, support staff, maintenance etc.
If we’d never had this ridiculous pretend parliament inflicted on us, the whole £600 million would be available for essential services.
Ponder that, next time you vote…

You could almost buy two ferries with that amount of money...

Aaron95 · 16/03/2023 14:37

The SNP can't call a snap election even if they want to. Scottish elections are fixed in time. First Thursday of May every 5 years.

The only way around that is if 2/3 of all MSP's vote to dissolve parliament. That's not going to happen.

Babdoc · 16/03/2023 14:45

Sheleft, you could actually buy nearly twelve ferries for that, from Turkish shipyards! They are charging just £52 million each for the two Islay ferries they’re currently building for us.
Remind me how much taxpayer money the SNP have so far thrown at the Ferguson yard…for ferries that are still nowhere near ready.

watmel · 16/03/2023 14:46

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Shelefttheweb · 16/03/2023 15:03

I hate oysters (to eat)

Shelefttheweb · 16/03/2023 15:04

I also hate corruption. Is that a bad thing?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/03/2023 15:50

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Have you replied to the right post? I see no hate in what Babdoc has said.

The ferry debacle makes my blood boil. The poor old Caledonian Isles, which has had to soldier on long past her retirement date, went for her annual overhaul in January and so many things needed fixing she still isn't back on the Arran run. The replacement ferry is much smaller and has had to contend with all the usual winter weather problems.

The older I get the more I value competence and common sense above idealism. I am an expat Scot with family still in Scotland. I'm not personally in favour of independence but it's not my decision. If the SNP were actually good at the bread and butter business of governing a country I could understand why people would vote for them. As things stand at the moment I can only assume there are a lot of people so fanatical about independence that they are prepared to overlook all the problems with education, ferries and all the other cock ups.

watmel · 16/03/2023 15:57

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/03/2023 15:50

Have you replied to the right post? I see no hate in what Babdoc has said.

The ferry debacle makes my blood boil. The poor old Caledonian Isles, which has had to soldier on long past her retirement date, went for her annual overhaul in January and so many things needed fixing she still isn't back on the Arran run. The replacement ferry is much smaller and has had to contend with all the usual winter weather problems.

The older I get the more I value competence and common sense above idealism. I am an expat Scot with family still in Scotland. I'm not personally in favour of independence but it's not my decision. If the SNP were actually good at the bread and butter business of governing a country I could understand why people would vote for them. As things stand at the moment I can only assume there are a lot of people so fanatical about independence that they are prepared to overlook all the problems with education, ferries and all the other cock ups.

I meant in general, not just that post but all her posts. And thinking that the Scottish parliament should be abolished is a fairly extreme position.

Shelefttheweb · 16/03/2023 15:58

I can only assume there are a lot of people so fanatical about independence that they are prepared to overlook all the problems with education, ferries and all the other cock ups.

That is about the measure of things. Mention the ferries in the presence of the Nats and it will all be the Tories/Westminster/English fault.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 16/03/2023 16:00

Shelefttheweb · 16/03/2023 15:58

I can only assume there are a lot of people so fanatical about independence that they are prepared to overlook all the problems with education, ferries and all the other cock ups.

That is about the measure of things. Mention the ferries in the presence of the Nats and it will all be the Tories/Westminster/English fault.

There's no need to blame Westminster for what is entirely a SG-engineered cock-up. The Tories display their own incompetence frequently, and egregiously enough without trying to pass the buck on them.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 16/03/2023 16:02

watmel · 16/03/2023 15:57

I meant in general, not just that post but all her posts. And thinking that the Scottish parliament should be abolished is a fairly extreme position.

I quite like having a pastiche of a typical unionist around. Helps to remind us just how ill-informed, blinkered, and hypocritical they are.

Shelefttheweb · 16/03/2023 16:15

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 16/03/2023 16:00

There's no need to blame Westminster for what is entirely a SG-engineered cock-up. The Tories display their own incompetence frequently, and egregiously enough without trying to pass the buck on them.

Well, yes, that is the alternative response - “At least we’re not as bad as the Tories”

Babdoc · 16/03/2023 18:17

watmel, unionists are the antithesis of ill informed or blinkered - it is because we are well informed of the economic consequences of the SNP’s plans that we oppose them.
Holyrood costs £600 million a year. Do you seriously defend that as value for money?
More important than spending it on the NHS, schools, roads?
If Scotland was still administered by the Scottish Office, that money would be available, along with the £450 million that the wretched assembly building cost to erect in the first place, for providing essential services.
Instead of accusing unionists of “hate” - which makes you sound over emotional and lacking in any more rational argument- try justifying the cost of Holyrood. I’ll wait…

wasteoffunds · 16/03/2023 19:54

Aaron95 · 16/03/2023 14:37

The SNP can't call a snap election even if they want to. Scottish elections are fixed in time. First Thursday of May every 5 years.

The only way around that is if 2/3 of all MSP's vote to dissolve parliament. That's not going to happen.

I just looked that up as well. There is a massive cost to holding any election which presumably would need to come from overstretched budgets if holding an earlier election. If they do try to do it regardless, another Section 35 may be in order.
The SNP need to 'get on with the day job' as Ruth Davidson (Conservative) used to so correctly say and stop obsessing over their Neverendum.

watmel · 16/03/2023 21:21

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Avalavalanche · 17/03/2023 13:53

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 16/03/2023 16:02

I quite like having a pastiche of a typical unionist around. Helps to remind us just how ill-informed, blinkered, and hypocritical they are.

Do most unionists want the abolition of the scottish parliament?

wasteoffunds · 17/03/2023 18:24

Avalavalanche · 17/03/2023 13:53

Do most unionists want the abolition of the scottish parliament?

Not necessarily but there is something really out of kilter about having a constituent country of the United Kingdom in net receipt of tax proceeds from the rest of the UK (the Barnet formula), where the governing party (SNP in coalition with the Greens) want to break away from the UK.
The role of the Parliament was to replace a tier of local Government and allow more local control of devolved resources and matters.
That should bring local accountability but it doesn't because the SNP are happy to demand more money from the rest of the UK but also to blame the UK for everything which goes wrong....even though the SNP has been in charge for a very long time.
It is quite possible that Scottish Conservative MSPs are perfectly happy with the current 'gravy train' arrangement, although they might not have originally wanted a devolved Parliament.
It seems ludicrous to me that apparently the FM in Scotland gets a higher salary than the PM of the whole of the UK.
Inward investment into Scotland is forever scuppered if the SNP remain in power constantly threatening to hold another Referendum...

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