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SNP gender reforms ‘dangerous for women’, UN official warns

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Rainbowshit · 23/11/2022 23:38

SNP gender reforms ‘dangerous for women’, UN official warns. Will any of our MSPs listen?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d07e450c-6b28-11ed-b361-431d7dcc7c0e?shareToken=f8ea9b50b08907e4606710b49124d845

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HeraldicBlazoning · 24/11/2022 08:35

Course they won't. Or even if they do listen, they are not going to raise their heads above the parapet and say so. The SNP and Green ones anyway.

Terfs, transphobes, horrible bigots. 🙄

readsalotgirl63 · 24/11/2022 08:50

Also reported on BBC news
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63730621

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 24/11/2022 09:31

This report is quite a long read but is very balanced, raises lots of good points and is actually quite kind to 'genuine' transwomen (for want of a better word), making the point that allowing all males to identify into women's spaces without any checks (as is proposed) puts them at risk as well as those born women. It also raises some good points about the equality act, suggesting that SG's interpretation that a GRC makes you legally female 'for all purposes' is bollocks, and pointing out that single sex spaces (excluding male bodies) are legal where this is a reasonable need, such as refuges or hospitals etc.. In fact it suggests that by not having single sex as well as gender-specific spaces, female women (again, for want of a better word) will self-exclude from such services which is discriminatory for them. It also points out that the lack of a definition of what would constitute a fraudulent application, plus the fact that punishment is after the fact (and therefore after harm is caused, assuming you could ever prove fraud and it's hard to see how you could), are unacceptable in terms of women's safety. It criticises the SG for not hearing in person from victims of abuse. Close to my heart, it also points out that there is an unacceptable data gap because the SG is not collecting accurate information on sex AND gender, instead opting for self-declared gender only in a many instances (including, infamously, the national census where it's surely most important), making it very hard to get an accurate picture of what is happening.

Overall it suggests much more care should be taken with this, and it should be held back until all issues are PROPERLY considered, including the proposed clarification of sex-based rights in the Equality Act. It's hard to see how the UN's Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls can be dismissed as misguided, the 'wrong' kind of feminist, bigoted, or any of the other usual slurs, but sadly I doubt the SG will give a shit. They are absolutely determined that the feelings of anyone who might possibly be trans trump all other concerns, including the actual safety of women.

applesandpears33 · 24/11/2022 14:13

I listened to FMQ this lunchtime and was disappointed that no one raised this. Maybe next week?

Bluebird1234 · 24/11/2022 14:19

They have to schedule questions in advance I think so perhaps not enough time or not allowed!

applesandpears33 · 24/11/2022 14:50

I'll keep my fingers crossed for next week.

Rainbowshit · 24/11/2022 14:58

I sent the report to all my MSPs. Ross Greer replied with what looks like a standard email saying any concerns are misguided. 🙄

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Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 01/12/2022 09:47

Interesting article here about Nicola's heckling the other night at the Zero Tolerance event that reportedly had bouncers on the doors turning away gender critical participants. It raises some good points about the muddled logic behind Nicola's thinking, but more encouragingly for me, it is just one of a number of articles or phone ins discussing this issue (I think LBC covered it, there was a piece on the nine, and Drivetime last night on BBC Scotland even had a segment). #NoDebate seems to have finally had it's time, and more and more people are feeling confident enough to speak about these issues out loud, after years of merely questioning the direction of travel being branded as 'bigoted'. Just a few months ago I found myself in a discussion about JK Rowling and I said clearly that in my view her comments were totally mainstream and not at all bigoted, but I felt a kind of queasy unease at speaking out, a bit afraid of the consequences. Now that the UN Special Rapporteur has put these issues out there it gives me a confidence to express what I always felt (that rushing headlong into these reforms was dangerous), without the same fear of reprisals or just social judgement. Speaking out doesn't require quite the same level of courage somehow, and maybe finally we can have the open debate that this issue sorely needs.

readsalotgirl63 · 01/12/2022 15:27

There seemed to be quite a lot of coverage of the heckling - noticed it was covered by Daily Record, Daily express and the Herald as well as Telegraph.

TrixJax · 01/12/2022 15:51

readsalotgirl63 · 01/12/2022 15:27

There seemed to be quite a lot of coverage of the heckling - noticed it was covered by Daily Record, Daily express and the Herald as well as Telegraph.

And on the Scottish news on BBC

ElizabethR30 · 31/12/2022 17:33

Please sign and share the UKGov petition - ‘Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex’. Google ‘petition 623243’ to find it or look on the Sex Matters website.

ElizabethR30 · 05/01/2023 06:36

Please sign and share the UKGov petition - ‘Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex’. Google ‘petition 623243’ to find it or look on the Sex Matters website.

readsalotgirl63 · 05/01/2023 10:42

already signed and shared

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