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Are you aware of what is going on in your child’s school?

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bitachey · 23/09/2022 13:28

Times article. So glad that this is being reported on. Parents don’t realise the indoctrination that is going on in some schools.

Teachers face ‘significant challenges’ to avoid outing trans pupils to parents

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1c01ac90-3a90-11ed-84dd-c16384999350?shareToken=fa285512f670afa50103d84e6f1323f3

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LovinglifeAF · 23/09/2022 16:59

Nothing like this I hope, although I was unimpressed to hear from my son that there were “pronouns” posters in the pe changing room (torn down thankfully)

that school looks fucking bonkers. Does no one ever look at this and think wtf are we actually doing

bitachey · 23/09/2022 17:14

We’re encouraged to announce our pronouns to the class, use them in emails. I know a friend whose daughter is at high school in Edinburgh and teachers have their pronouns on the classroom doors.

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bitachey · 23/09/2022 17:17

Luckily my own kids are sceptics about this but I really worry for vulnerable young people who we’re feeding/normalising this stuff to.

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rogdmum · 23/09/2022 17:20

The video is here on the school’s website: www.qahs.org.uk/Supporting-Transgender-Pupils-Pupil-Equalities-Fil/

And ForWomanScot have posted a transcript here: forwomen.scot/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Transcript-of-trans-video-Queen-Anne-High-School-Dunfermline-September-2022.pdf

It’s not my daughter’s former school, but appears to be pretty much identical in their approach to gender ideology and not informing parents of a pupil’s social transition where the pupil doesn’t want them to be told. If you are a parent who wants to take a cautious approach and not immediately jump to affirm it is hellish.

I don’t think parents have any idea what is going on in some schools in Scotland. We certainly didn’t.

bitachey · 23/09/2022 17:28

@rogdmum First paragraph - parent Rachel Watson! Child dresses in boys clothing and so she gives them “resources to go away and read”. What’s wrong with just letting the child be? Dreadful. Munchausen syndrome

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bitachey · 23/09/2022 17:32

Sorry actually second paragraph!

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RhannionKPSS · 23/09/2022 20:49

James Gillespie High school in Edinburgh has mixed sex toilets...

rogdmum · 23/09/2022 21:33

bitachy Yes, the first mum talks as though it was half her idea! The second mum sounds as though she’s had to convince herself and still has a bit of an internal fight.

Mummysharkargggggggg · 23/09/2022 21:43

My usually mute child objected loudly in a phse lesson because the teacher made an assumption that all the girls would have make boyfriends or husbands when their older 🤣
She's only 6 but she just had to correct the teacher.
The teacher told me it was the best lesson she had ever taught because all the class were so shocked my selective mute child had spoken up and they all added to the possible different family setups that could happen .

BubbleTeaBee · 23/09/2022 21:48

I have been emailing my daughter's school about this exact thing. Their policy says parents will not be told. South East England.

CrabbitBastard · 24/09/2022 09:28

Well my DD's school has an LGBT+ group and pronoun posters. They also had a teacher called Mx Smith though (who DD says was clearly a woman but wearing a tie etc) and assemblies about respecting the teacher's chosen pronouns. DD is quite sensible and just goes 'whatever' and keeps out of it all.

womaninatightspot · 24/09/2022 09:48

We’re a bit more north and trans stuff is greeted with slightly wide eyed utterances by teachers who believe it’s nonsense but aren’t allowed to say that.

My eldest is at high school and says it’s not a thing. They did have some chats with them in primary school but I explained that people self identify as lots of things such as for example unicorn gender and he’s decided it’s all a bit silly thankfully. Autistic so more vulnerable than other children in ways.

rogdmum · 24/09/2022 15:35

I sometimes wonder whether the senior staff ever bothered to tell my daughter’s teachers that they were supporting her social transition against our views and against clinical advice. I suspect they didn’t and would love to know whether any were troubled by what they were told to do or whether all of them had bought into the ideology.

Lerouge · 25/09/2022 12:12

That article - omg. Wondering what questions to ask my DC's school to find out how far they are down the path of gender ideology - any suggestions?

bitachey · 25/09/2022 19:41

rogdmum · 24/09/2022 15:35

I sometimes wonder whether the senior staff ever bothered to tell my daughter’s teachers that they were supporting her social transition against our views and against clinical advice. I suspect they didn’t and would love to know whether any were troubled by what they were told to do or whether all of them had bought into the ideology.

That’s terrible @rogdmum how is your daughter?

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bitachey · 25/09/2022 19:44

Lerouge · 25/09/2022 12:12

That article - omg. Wondering what questions to ask my DC's school to find out how far they are down the path of gender ideology - any suggestions?

Can you ask your children as a starting point? Mine have had some PHSE on it and there is LGBT club but it seems quite low key thank goodness. A couple of girls in the school are non-binary. Nothing like that Dunfermline school.

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AlwaysMunching · 27/09/2022 15:33

This school is local to me and I do know a few parents who have chosen to pay for Dollar Academy instead... We go regularly for non-school activities (it's a community hub) and it has an 'all-gender expressions' toilet which I sort of shrugged at, but the article does make it sound absolutely endemic. No chance mine lot will be going there!

gogohmm · 27/09/2022 15:46

So what do you suggest? I mean it ... my kids are a little older now but they know multiple young people who questioned their gender identity from around 14. Some have fully transitioned now, complete with surgery, some live as the other gender but mostly due to delays caused by covid they are still on the wait list for surgery, 1 lives as non binary and 2 I personally know have reverted to their birth gender. All are happy now (early 20's)

The schools were not overly supportive 10 years ago, certainly no mixed toilets or pronouns on doors yet these kids still felt wrong in their own bodies. Something is amiss, you can't just blame schools for supporting them.

The person I know best said he never felt like a girl, as a preschooler he changed into "male" dress up clothes if his mum put him in a dress, he cut his hair off at 5, he played football and refused to go to school in a skirt, by 10 his friends were calling him by his now legal name. Small town, unsupportive parents, unsupportive school- it came from within. I want to know why!

What are we doing to our kids even so young?

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