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Greater Glasgow: the battle of the Easts

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worriedmum89 · 19/09/2022 11:44

Hello,

We need to move within Greater Glasgow and we have narrowed it down to either East Dunbartonshire (probably Milngavie) and East Renfrewshire (probably Newton Mearns). Main reason is schools, and both places are OK for my and DHs commutes.

Can you please help me make a decision about which one to choose? House prices, schools reputation and distance to city centre are similar to both areas, so the differences that I can see so far are:

EAST RENFREWSHIRE

  • shopping centres (the Avenue, Silverburn) for rainy days
  • 15 min from Shawlands, Pollok Park
  • Rouken Glen (huge, with lake, waterfall)
  • close to the West Coast
  • ugly town centres (Giffnock, Clarkston, etc.)

EAST DUNBARTONSHIRE

  • nice town centres (pedestrianised Milngavie, oldish Bearsden)
  • 15 min from West End
  • close to Loch Lomond
  • no shopping centres
  • more traffic, and feels more crowded

Any other things Im missing? Anyone with a strong preference for one or the other so can help me making this decision?

Thanks!

OP posts:
KassandraOfSparta · 21/09/2022 00:01

Yeah yeah. All the children in poorly achieving schools are just unfortunate. Whatever. There are no discipline issues and they’re all desperate to learn. Sure.

but it’s not my job to care about other peoples kids. Just my own. Not a teacher, no desire to be a teacher. You’re happy teaching in an environment where many kids lack ambition. Good for you. I do not want my kids in that environment.

KassandraOfSparta · 21/09/2022 00:03

And you’ll notice, before you went off on your wee rant, that I did say that teachers in “mixed” schools are good teachers. When they get the chance to teach.

prettybird · 21/09/2022 01:01

I often come on to threads like this to promote Shawlands Academy: a school with a very mixed demographic yet one which encourages all its young people, whether they be academic, not so academic, sporty, musical, artistic - or any combination of those.

Ds was both academic and sporty - played rugby (wonders which rugby club @Puffalicious 's dses go to Wink) both at school and at the local rugby club and was in all the top sets at school. He's just graduated in PIR from Aberdeen Uni and has got a job in his fairly niche field.

Shawlands itself has lovely areas and a vibrant shopping area (especially for coffees, cakes and brunches Grin), plus there is Newlands and Pollokshields - all of which have good transport links. I'll admit to ds being a placing request: we live in a part of Pollokshields where he should really have gone to Bellahouston (but they weren't a School of Rugby).

I went to Bearsden Academy (albeit a long time ago Blush) and I'd say Shawlands is a better school than Bearsden was, as Bearsden only really cared about you if you were clever (as I was, so I was fine Wink). My mum (an English teacher - who started at Bearsden Academy with me - her a probationer, me an S1 - but latterly at Clydebank High) helped tutor friends' dcs who weren't being "allowed" to sit Higher English at Bearsden/Douglas (because the school thought they'd fail), so had to be presented privately - and she helped them get Bs Hmm

The other thing that schools like Shawlands try to engender is self-sufficiency (hence the holistic approach with sport/art/music). The pupils aren't encouraged to be tutored and have a lower drop-out rate at Uni compared to those at more "hot-housed" schools.

Essentially, I'd agree with previous posters not to discount schools within Glasgow. I've also heard good reports of Hyndland (although the West End is a lot more expensive than Pollokshields, Shawlands, Newslands, Strathbungo). And I know via the rugby club that kids have gone on to good things from Kings Park, Hill Park, Lourdes....

Hakunamatata91 · 21/09/2022 01:40

I've lived in Newton Mearns and not a fan. Working in retail there was not fun - so many snobs looking down their nose at you (I know you get those everywhere, but much much more so in the mearns, working in retail in the city centre was so much nicer) and a lot of very entitled kids. I also just found it quite a boring place to live and not much of a community feel to it, it does just feel a bit soulless to me. The public transport takes a while to get into town and frequently doesn't turn up, so you wind up having to drive to get somewhere interesting. There's an insane amount of new developments just off the m77 as well with no extra roads to compensate so the already bad traffic in the mornings is only going to get worse. No offense to anyone living there, but my experience was that I really didn't enjoy it. No experience of east Dunbarton to compare.

Redglitter · 21/09/2022 02:30

Houston/Bridge of Weir are nice. They have more of a village feel about them. Gryffe High is in the top 10 schools & was top in another award last year

It's quite well situated

10 mins from Glasgow Airport
15 mins from Braehead
30 mins to the Ayrshire Coast
40 mins to Loch Lomond

I was brought up in the area & after moving away I've migrated back.

QueenWatevraWaNabi · 21/09/2022 08:17

My mum ... helped tutor friends' dcs who weren't being "allowed" to sit Higher English at Bearsden/Douglas (because the school thought they'd fail)

  • and this is my biggest issue with the league tables; that they can be and are manipulated.
QueenWatevraWaNabi · 21/09/2022 08:18

Where are living at the moment, OP - and do you like the area?

KassandraOfSparta · 21/09/2022 08:25

I have never come across any of my kids' classmates or other kids in the year being told to go and sit their Highers/Nat 5 elsewhere. Now, in 2016-2022, not at some specified time in the 80s/90s/00s.

What DOES happen, as in other schools probably, is that not all kids sit exams at the end od S4. Thinking of a child in DD's year, her difficulties mean that the plan was always for her to achieve Nat 5 English and Maths by the end of S6. So she sat in a Nat 5 English/Maths set in S4, again in S5, and S6 but did not sit the exams in S4 or S5 - not because her failing would make the school look bad, because she was not up to standard and there was no point in her sitting and failing. DS - pre pandemic - was exceptionally borderline in his H English, it really could have gone either way with a pass/fail. No question about him sitting the exam at school, no suggestion he take it somewhere else.

Puffalicious · 21/09/2022 17:42

KassandraOfSparta · 21/09/2022 00:01

Yeah yeah. All the children in poorly achieving schools are just unfortunate. Whatever. There are no discipline issues and they’re all desperate to learn. Sure.

but it’s not my job to care about other peoples kids. Just my own. Not a teacher, no desire to be a teacher. You’re happy teaching in an environment where many kids lack ambition. Good for you. I do not want my kids in that environment.

See, the poorly achieving schools gets my goat, and is a total misnomer. Poorly achieving in whose eyes? There is far, far more to a school that the % of pupils who get 5 Highers or 8 Nat5s. What matters are the stories behind the results (the looked after child who went through 4 schools before landing at us, then getting 6 qualifications at Nat 4 and 5; the girl who had her baby at 14, joined our young parent's base and got N5s and 1 Higher that got her into college; the kid who comes from abject poverty who did the Step programme with Strathclyde Uni and got a place with slightly lower results...I could go on). I am evangelical about raising attainment (I'm a literacy teacher intervening with pupils who struggle to read at age 12+) for everyone.

I don't choose to work where there's lack of ambition: I choose to work where many kids have never been shown ambition or given the tools to achieve- we're reversing that.

So, for anyone wondering why my school isn't featured in the top 10/20/50, I proffer the question of what we are measuring?

Puffalicious · 21/09/2022 17:43

QueenWatevraWaNabi · 21/09/2022 08:17

My mum ... helped tutor friends' dcs who weren't being "allowed" to sit Higher English at Bearsden/Douglas (because the school thought they'd fail)

  • and this is my biggest issue with the league tables; that they can be and are manipulated.

Yup. But I ignore them anyway.

Puffalicious · 21/09/2022 17:46

prettybird I agree with all you say. My boys are at Cartha Queen's Park Rugby Club (although DS1 will be joining his University club) and both have played with lots of kids from Shawlands! My friend also worked there for many years and has nothing but good things to say about it.

We're not a million miles away from you. Waves 👋

prettybird · 21/09/2022 18:25

Hmmmm - we'll know each other then Shock

You'll definitely know my dh Wink - he's responsible for the Junior Section.

And I'm currently sitting at the club waiting for the women's training to start, while dh has meetings and ds waits to help with training the U16s Grin

TipsyAndTommy · 21/09/2022 19:28

I've nothing really to add to the thread but I just wanted to say @Puffalicious you sound like a really brilliant teacher, who I'm sure makes a real difference and pupils will remember Smile

Puffalicious · 21/09/2022 19:32

prettybird · 21/09/2022 18:25

Hmmmm - we'll know each other then Shock

You'll definitely know my dh Wink - he's responsible for the Junior Section.

And I'm currently sitting at the club waiting for the women's training to start, while dh has meetings and ds waits to help with training the U16s Grin

😆😆😆 DS2 is at training right now - U16! Ex DH is one of the coaches 🙈🤣. I know your DH well. His sister currently has DS3 at cubs 😄😄😄. Small world! 💜

Puffalicious · 21/09/2022 19:38

TipsyAndTommy · 21/09/2022 19:28

I've nothing really to add to the thread but I just wanted to say @Puffalicious you sound like a really brilliant teacher, who I'm sure makes a real difference and pupils will remember Smile

That's a lovely thing to say. Thanks so much: it's a tough, old job, but I do love it.

I want everyone's DC to be happy and successful, wherever they go to school: East Ren, East Dum, Glasgow...wherever.

I'm sorry you had a crappy experience Kassandra, it can't have been easy and will have influenced your view. My nieces and nephews didn't have the best experience (in ED), so that's influenced my view.

Peace and love ❤️

KassandraOfSparta · 21/09/2022 19:46

Just to add - I was not at school in the west of Scotland, I'm an import from the east.

MsPincher · 21/09/2022 20:10

KassandraOfSparta · 20/09/2022 23:09

I was at one of those “mixed” schools which are a “real reflection” of society and it was miserable. Bullied for doing your homework. Bullied for not wanting to play truant. Discipline issues and kids telling teachers to fuck off. General ethos that education was for mugs. Some of us did ok and got into uni despite the issues but that was the exception not the norm.

im sure the teachers in the “mixed” schools are good teachers but they can’t teach because they’re dealing with discipline issues and social work issues while the few people on the class who do want to learn have to sit quietly.

I want better than that for my own kids. They are in good schools with lovely friends and achievement is celebrated not mocked. I could not give two hoots of that makes me a snob.

Yes same for me. I also went to one of those “schools that reflect society”. I want better for dds.

QueenWatevraWaNabi · 21/09/2022 20:33

Puffalicious and prettybird make me feel extra reassured to have DC heading to Shawlands, so I'm grateful to this thread for that!

I want everyone's DC to be happy and successful, wherever they go to school: East Ren, East Dum, Glasgow...wherever Agreed 🙂

Michellexxx · 21/09/2022 20:46

We’re in ED and love it- met some great mum fitness and kids have lots of good friends. Lots of nature nearby and we use the loch a lot. The schools and nurseries have been fab.
also teach in ED (but not in Bearsden/Milngavie, where we stay) and we definitely don’t stop pupils sitting exams if they or parents want to.

Bith living and working in a school here are definitely not how they’ve been made out to be!

house prices are crazy just now though so will depend on your budget too! But I think it’s great!

worriedmum89 · 21/09/2022 21:39

Thanks everyone for your answers.

I work at QEUH, mid-way from both of them.

I find it very interesting that very few people have addressed the original question, helping me choose between ED and ER. Clearly, the possibilty of having made a poor decision re ED/ER vs Glasgow schooling is something that troubles many people in this city.

I also guess that there are a myriad of poor reasons for choosing where to live: school snobbery may be one, but perhaps also choosing an area because the house/flat being bigger, better cafes close by, or the commute 5 minute shorter.

Anyway, thanks to all of you who addressed the original question! It seems that more people prefer ED over ER, although I guess an area feeling soulless can mean different things to each of us.

OP posts:
Rainbowshit · 21/09/2022 21:43

KassandraOfSparta · 20/09/2022 23:09

I was at one of those “mixed” schools which are a “real reflection” of society and it was miserable. Bullied for doing your homework. Bullied for not wanting to play truant. Discipline issues and kids telling teachers to fuck off. General ethos that education was for mugs. Some of us did ok and got into uni despite the issues but that was the exception not the norm.

im sure the teachers in the “mixed” schools are good teachers but they can’t teach because they’re dealing with discipline issues and social work issues while the few people on the class who do want to learn have to sit quietly.

I want better than that for my own kids. They are in good schools with lovely friends and achievement is celebrated not mocked. I could not give two hoots of that makes me a snob.

Yeah this was my experience too. I actually deliberately didn't answer questions in exams that I knew the answer to as I knew it would be hell to do well in them.

Rainbowshit · 21/09/2022 21:46

I don't get the appeal of newton mearns at all. We looked at houses there at one point and it really was not for me.

How about more village feel places likes Busby or eaglesham?

KassandraOfSparta · 21/09/2022 21:51

I think the problem @worriedmum89 is that you've got experience of one or the other. I can wax lyrical until the cows come home about Bearsden/Milngavie because that's where i've lived for the last 12 years. I don't really know the other side of the town as well, definitely don't know Newton Mearns well enough to have formed a solid opinion. And the people who live in Newton Mearns will probably feel the same about the northerly fringes of the city. Most people won't have equal experience of both.

I'm really happy with where I live and love being within easy reach of Loch Lomond and Byres Road. But in NM, you're closer to the coast, and the south side shops. It's really swings and roundabouts. Lots and lots of people round my way work at the QEUH, it was a standing joke at the primary school that we were never short of a first aider because you could not move for doctors, nurses and midwives.

Puffalicious · 21/09/2022 22:00

My ExDH works in QEUH and lives in Dennistoun- really urban and he loves it. Commute is easy- he often cycles. It depends what floats your boat.

I'm a city girl and would be looking at Jordanhill/ Hyndland/ Scotstoun/ Ralston/ Newlands/ Kelvinbridge/ Anniesland/ Cardonald/ Shawlands.

QueenWatevraWaNabi · 22/09/2022 09:47

If you're at the QEUH, I'll take back my suggestion of Lenzie then!