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Remind me what's good about living in Scotland?

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CoralPaperweight · 06/05/2022 17:18

I moved to Scotland 25 years ago (central belt) and I've had a great life here but over the last year or so I've got increasingly itchy feet. May be a post-Covid or age thing but I'm not sure I want to stay in Scotland forever - it just doesn't seem to be as appealing to me, and even the cities seem a bit flat at the moment. Realistically, I can't disrupt DS education at the moment, he's very settled and happy so please remind me of everything that is fantastic about life in Scotland. I'm forever reading threads about people who are desperate to move to Scotland and I'm not really seeing why at the moment.

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Purplehonesty2 · 08/05/2022 12:25

The countryside, the fresh food, the craic, the lighter nights, the snow, the occasional sunny day.

We live very far north tho and it's totally unspoilt and lovely so maybe not the same if you live in Motherwell!

Purplehonesty2 · 08/05/2022 12:28

I spent some of a summer once in Chester. It was absolutely gorgeous and so warm that I did think about it for a while

BUT there were so many people and cars and there was never any peace or anywhere to park. Even if you went for a walk there were hoards of people and ddog did not like that!!

Couldn't believe how warm and sheltered it was

On street parking tho - what's that all about!!! None of the streets were wide enough for cars parked and pavements and to drive down! I felt so claustrophobic

PineMartenPeanutbutter · 08/05/2022 12:29

The problem is that people who already live in these areas are being priced out. Also no one wants to live in a ghost town where half the property is owned by people who don’t actually live there. It affects public services, schools and community life. You are being unreasonable.

PineMartenPeanutbutter · 08/05/2022 12:30

Purplehonesty2 · 08/05/2022 12:28

I spent some of a summer once in Chester. It was absolutely gorgeous and so warm that I did think about it for a while

BUT there were so many people and cars and there was never any peace or anywhere to park. Even if you went for a walk there were hoards of people and ddog did not like that!!

Couldn't believe how warm and sheltered it was

On street parking tho - what's that all about!!! None of the streets were wide enough for cars parked and pavements and to drive down! I felt so claustrophobic

Have you tried parking or driving in Edinburgh or Glasgow recently?

User3568975431146 · 08/05/2022 12:30

Itsbackagain · 06/05/2022 17:25

I think they assume it's all rolling hills and country walks which of course it is, combined with a high crime and poverty rate, cliquey villages etc.

I'm guessing you're definitely not Scottish 😂😂😂

AchatAVendre · 08/05/2022 12:36

PineMartenPeanutbutter · 08/05/2022 12:29

The problem is that people who already live in these areas are being priced out. Also no one wants to live in a ghost town where half the property is owned by people who don’t actually live there. It affects public services, schools and community life. You are being unreasonable.

There aren't any towns where I want to buy though, and theres barely any public services. What there are is lots of deserted ruins where families used to live but are now gone. Have you never been to the Northern Isles? The population of those islands used to be double what it now. The solution might be to encourage more self build, because thats what common elsewhere in Europe, whereas nearly all new builds are built by developers. Thats another issue.

Amazing to think that the Northern Isles used to be part of Norway for much of their history, and owning a weekend home in Norway is part of the culture. People are encouraged to work hard in a town or city during the week in the knowledge that they can own a bolthole in their own country to get some breathing space at the weekend. And they aren't all tiny log cabins! Only in the UK is this demonised.

Shunter350 · 08/05/2022 12:36

I've read this thread and wondering ( as a Scotsman ) what to say.
I am a Scottish but regard myself as British.
We are regarded as "yoons" by followers of the SNP.
Politics is toxic in Scotland, fanned by the cult that follows Nicola Sturgeons government.. a government that has failed and is held in place by a week opposition.
The real Scotland in a nutshell..,
Poor public service..
Poor policing
Run down cities
Sectarianism
Xenophobic anti English attitude from many ( buried deeply but it's there )
Small country mentalism
Failing education
Failing health service
No snow anymore

PineMartenPeanutbutter · 08/05/2022 12:43

Shunter350 · 08/05/2022 12:36

I've read this thread and wondering ( as a Scotsman ) what to say.
I am a Scottish but regard myself as British.
We are regarded as "yoons" by followers of the SNP.
Politics is toxic in Scotland, fanned by the cult that follows Nicola Sturgeons government.. a government that has failed and is held in place by a week opposition.
The real Scotland in a nutshell..,
Poor public service..
Poor policing
Run down cities
Sectarianism
Xenophobic anti English attitude from many ( buried deeply but it's there )
Small country mentalism
Failing education
Failing health service
No snow anymore

Yes.

Tagliatellme · 08/05/2022 13:09

underneathleaf · 06/05/2022 21:48

I haven't found the weather noticeably worse than it is in England

There are many wonderful things about Scotland but I'm afraid I think this is completely delusional. The weather on England is so very much better and you only need to compare days of rain, hours of sunlight and average temperatures from weather stations to see that. I've lived in England for 15 years now and every single summer I'm amazed by how wonderful the weather is, despite English people always complaining about it. Little girls wear school summer dresses for months here, not the odd week like in Edinburgh.

England doesn't have its own weather, just as Scotland doesn't. The weather in Cambridge is completely different from the weather in Keswick for example.

Eastern Scotland (eg Leuchars) has several hundred more hours of sunshine a year than North Western England. Maximum average summer temperatures are similar.

We've moved to Perthshire from a North Central part of England and it's noticeably drier and sunnier here.

As for good things: the views, the countryside, less traffic on the whole, the coast, the friendliness and warmth, the outdoors life. Love it.

RaraRachael · 08/05/2022 13:11

ssd · 08/05/2022 11:30

You sound a joy @RaraRachael

What's wrong with liking being left alone? Just because other people like being chatted to doesn't mean everyone has to.

0blio · 08/05/2022 13:28

PineMartenPeanutbutter · 06/05/2022 22:38

I don’t find people friendlier. Quite the reverse. I also don’t see any community spirit. The countryside is very different. Wilder and harsher, but more beautiful in the Highlands. I do miss rolling hills and lush countryside. Good pubs. Being able to sit outside. Proper summers .
a less parochial outlook on life. Life in England is gentler and kinder in general.

I'm Scottish but have lived in England for some time now. I love my country and always feel a longing for it but I do agree with this.

EdgeOfSeventeenAndThreeQuarter · 08/05/2022 15:45

Well I have no fucking idea where a PP got her £4kpa council tax bill from. I’m in the northern isles, band A (as nearly everyone is) and my council tax is waaaaay under £1k.

and no. I don’t want to see every other fucking house turned into an Airbnb or holiday home.

we’re a community, not a fucking show to put on for you.

AchatAVendre · 08/05/2022 15:59

EdgeOfSeventeenAndThreeQuarter · 08/05/2022 15:45

Well I have no fucking idea where a PP got her £4kpa council tax bill from. I’m in the northern isles, band A (as nearly everyone is) and my council tax is waaaaay under £1k.

and no. I don’t want to see every other fucking house turned into an Airbnb or holiday home.

we’re a community, not a fucking show to put on for you.

Do you not possess a calculator? Council tax Band D main residence = £2000. Band A x 2 for second home dwelling = £2000. Total - £4000.

Because council tax is likely to be doubled in Scotland for second homes in the very near future.

I've already explained above why I would like to buy a home to retire to in the island my grandparents left for work. How pure a bloodline are you demanding? But its easier to take my money and buy in France. Not to mention the double stamp duty in Scotland for buying a second home.

I have no intention of running an AirBnB. Unfortunately, I have family members leaving the Northern Isles because they can't find partners. Depopulation is real. Please read my previous posts instead of swearing and ranting and raving. I even have about as local a name as its possible to have.

Your attitude however is one of the reasons that I feel less welcome in my own country of Scotland than I do in France. Do you think all I want to do with my life is live in the central belt doing a stressful, difficult job paying a fortune in taxes so other people can live somewhere nice? Do you really think its unreasonable to want to start planning for your own retirement in your own country? For gods sake. You sound as if you hate people on sight. Goodness knows how you feel about murderers if you start swearing at potential second home owners.

Ironically, a French person buying in the Northern Isles wouldn't be taxed double, because it would be their first home in Scotland.

AchatAVendre · 08/05/2022 16:01

EdgeOfSeventeenAndThreeQuarter · 08/05/2022 15:45

Well I have no fucking idea where a PP got her £4kpa council tax bill from. I’m in the northern isles, band A (as nearly everyone is) and my council tax is waaaaay under £1k.

and no. I don’t want to see every other fucking house turned into an Airbnb or holiday home.

we’re a community, not a fucking show to put on for you.

And to be honest, if you are originally from the Northern Isles, I'm probably related to you and could find a common ancestor within about 5 minutes of searching on Bayanne.

PineMartenPeanutbutter · 08/05/2022 16:10

Oh dear. Neither of you sound like potentially great neighbours.

AchatAVendre · 08/05/2022 16:12

PineMartenPeanutbutter · 08/05/2022 16:10

Oh dear. Neither of you sound like potentially great neighbours.

Grin that made me smile PineMarten.

EdgeOfSeventeenAndThreeQuarter · 08/05/2022 16:30

We’re obviously talking about the same island.

depopulation is very real - which is why I want to keep this community real so my children will return from university.

of the 3 head-teachers here, none are “pure-blood” 🙄 - but all have chosen to make here their home and are active in the community.

not just flying in twice a year to buy a bannock at Mary’s.

BlimBosh · 08/05/2022 16:31

You get problems with crime, drugs, alcoholism, homelessness and deprivation in all parts of the country.

Scotland is stunningly beautiful, has great people, fresh food/great restaurants, great museums and loads of amazing history.

I absolutely love every part of Scotland.

Cryofthecurlew · 08/05/2022 17:28

Ive moved from a very desirable area of England and am an HCP what’s better where shall I start? The NHS is better here (I know some find that hard to believe but it is), it’s so quiet here busy on our beach is 4 people, everyone is sooo friendly when I go back to England I wonder what’s wrong with everyone, the scenery is simply stunning in one walk I have ancient woodland beach’s meadows upland, I like the Scot’s they seem significantly less pretentious and class obsessed than the English, I like your pride in your identity your culture seems to be pushed in your schools Burns night Scottish country dancing etc, the encouragement even in the major supermarkets to buy Scottish food but without being jingoistic but most of all the peace and quiet.

PineMartenPeanutbutter · 08/05/2022 17:39

Depends very much where you are living. Dundee is very different from Morayshire or the Borders
for example. Edinburgh is very different from rural Perthshire. Etc.

AchatAVendre · 08/05/2022 18:35

Edge not just flying in twice a year to buy a bannock at Mary’s

Waas and da Cake Fridge. Owned by a relative.

I get the boat.

depopulation is very real - which is why I want to keep this community real so my children will return from university.

You must know yourself that unless they are already in a serious relationship and work in healthcare or teaching, thats unlikely. What is likely is that one day they will inherit your home from you once its time and either keep it as a second home to retire to or sell it. At which point they will probably decide to sell it due to the high taxes on second homes.

of the 3 head-teachers here, none are “pure-blood” 🙄 - but all have chosen to make here their home and are active in the community.

And why do you think incomers have had to come up here to work as headteachers and why the roles weren't filled from the isles?

You must also be aware that where you have been lucky enough to live all or most of your life has had far less cuts than most parts of Scotland in public services. You were even still able to get the Council to tarmac your own drives til recently. There are almost no potholes on the roads. The leisure facilities are far better than any down south.

Traditionally, people have often had 2 homes where you come from. Many families had a flat in a city down south and came and went or kept it for their children at university. Many families went and returned over the years. Penalising people from the isles with higher taxes is no way to run a country. Its just awful and it will lead to more depopulation. You do not deal with depopulation by taxing people from the same country more to live there! The Faeroe Islands have double the population and are heavily subsidised by Denmark in a way that just doesn't happen here. Thats how you deal with depopulation though.

I think I've paid enough tax in Scotland over the years to plan my retirement here without being unfairly penalised by tax, but sadly its not the case so I'll take my money elsewhere.

oyatra · 08/05/2022 18:44

It's never too hot to sleep Wink

CoralPaperweight · 08/05/2022 19:47

@oyatra dunno about that - still have flashbacks of being in hospital in the middle of a heatwave having DS - no opening windows and no fans. In Scotland

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User48751490 · 08/05/2022 19:56

ssd · 07/05/2022 21:45

I never recognise the terrible picture of Scotland thats always portrayed here on mn. The utter disdain shown for Scotland by mn Scottish posters amazes me. If its that bad why dont they fuck off then, like they are always threatening to?

I know it comical coming on these threads sometimes.

NowThatsWhatICall22 · 08/05/2022 21:59

Shunter350 · 08/05/2022 12:36

I've read this thread and wondering ( as a Scotsman ) what to say.
I am a Scottish but regard myself as British.
We are regarded as "yoons" by followers of the SNP.
Politics is toxic in Scotland, fanned by the cult that follows Nicola Sturgeons government.. a government that has failed and is held in place by a week opposition.
The real Scotland in a nutshell..,
Poor public service..
Poor policing
Run down cities
Sectarianism
Xenophobic anti English attitude from many ( buried deeply but it's there )
Small country mentalism
Failing education
Failing health service
No snow anymore

This. Well put.
(🤣 no snow)