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Scotland Census - Request paper copy to demonstrate your support for the importance of collecting factual data

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NonnyMouse1337 · 28/02/2022 16:55

The census takes place every ten years to capture meaningful data about the population in Scotland.
The results of the Census affect everyone because it is used to plan vital public services and inform investment in areas such as education, transport, health and social care.

Angus Robertson MSP, Cabinet Secretary for the Constitution, External Affairs and Culture, has said:

“Scotland’s Census is unique in asking the whole nation important questions that help us to better understand the future needs of our communities.

"The census helps the Scottish Government, Local Government and other service providers to plan services and make decisions about how public money will be spent on major services in our communities, including schools, roads and hospitals.

“It's essential we maximise participation and ensure that everyone is heard and their needs captured.”

Given the importance of the census, you would think it is crucial that the data gathered is accurate and factual.

Yet, as you might be aware, a recent court ruling declared that this should not be the case when it comes to filling in a person's sex. Since the Census Act - which was written in 1920 by the way - does not explicitly define sex or distinguish between sex and gender, it apparently means it's ok to answer the question based on how a person feels, irrespective of what is recorded on their birth certificate or Gender Recognition Certificate.

Many women and men disagree with this approach. A person's sex is a factual piece of information, like our age, and not something to be based on what we would like it to be.

The question on sex is mandatory.

There is a new question which is optional - it asks about a person's trans status. This is a good thing. We want to capture accurate numbers of how many trans people there are in Scotland, as there is no reliable data for this at the moment. Healthcare for trans people cannot be planned for properly if we don't know how many males and females are trans. However, since the question is optional, no one is obliged to answer it if they don't want to.

There is no logical reason for the sex question to be a matter of personal interpretation when there is already a question that captures a person's gender identity.

If you are also concerned with the way sex is being undermined in all kinds of areas of law and policy, then please request a paper copy of the census. Do not fill it in online.
A paper copy has sufficient space to answer the mandatory questions without breaching guidelines but still enables you to signal your disagreement. The online version will only allow you to select specific values and you can't add anything else.

More information will be provided soon by various women's rights groups on the exact wording to write in the census form. But in the meantime, please order the paper version and ask others to do the same.

twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1498259044494098435?s=20&t=Z9vHKzo5INWuJLRQlm0YiQ

OP posts:
LizzieMacQueen · 28/02/2022 18:11

Thanks for highlighting this again - read about it originally on another thread - I ordered my paper copy today.

Itsbackagain · 01/03/2022 15:35

Paper copy requested!

Waitwhat23 · 01/03/2022 15:42

I just ordered my paper copy - thanks for the info

malloo · 01/03/2022 17:37

Have ordered a paper copy. Will wait to see what FWS suggest putting in. I thought maybe just refuse to fill in sex question? But does the whole thing get binned if you don't answer the mandatory questions? I'm happy to take any consequences for refusing to fill it in.

Mistressiggi · 01/03/2022 18:27

Do you have to have received a letter first?

LizzieMacQueen · 01/03/2022 18:56

Yes @Mistressiggi - your letter comes with a unique code you need to request the paper copy.

Mistressiggi · 01/03/2022 19:32

Thank you, hasn't come here yet unless it's in dh's pile of doom in the hall

LizzieMacQueen · 01/03/2022 20:07

Mine only came yesterday.

readsalotgirl63 · 01/03/2022 20:10

Mine arrived today so I've requested a paper copy

NonnyMouse1337 · 02/03/2022 07:16

@malloo

Have ordered a paper copy. Will wait to see what FWS suggest putting in. I thought maybe just refuse to fill in sex question? But does the whole thing get binned if you don't answer the mandatory questions? I'm happy to take any consequences for refusing to fill it in.
FWS and other women's groups will not be suggesting actions that would result in people facing hefty fines, or worse. If individuals choose to risk breaching rules on filling in the census, that would be a personal decision.
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Nemorth · 02/03/2022 10:55

I'm going to fill mine in upside down! I'm also going to put "belief in biology" in the religion section. If 5,000 people do this it becomes a religion like the Jedi.

It's so important to get accurate data. I can't believe we're missing this chance in Scotland.

If all trans identified people were to put the sex they identified as and then ignore the optional trans status question we wouldn't be able to provide the correct services for those trans people. Which undermines their human rights.

I hope there's a big campaign by all the relevant orgs to ensure the optional question is answered too.

NutCheeseBag · 02/03/2022 11:53

If 5,000 people do this it becomes a religion like the Jedi.

I don’t think that’s true.

Rodedooda · 02/03/2022 12:36

Paper copy ordered.

Bumping this Smile

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/03/2022 13:07

Just ordered a paper copy.

I also intend to tie up some time on the helplines as I don't know how to answer the sex question...

Nemorth · 02/03/2022 14:32

@NutCheeseBag

If 5,000 people do this it becomes a religion like the Jedi.

I don’t think that’s true.

You're right. I just fact checked. It's based on an urban legend. However I think there might be a blank box as well as choices for religion.

I'm still going to write belief in biology there.

Jedi Knight is one of the choices. My DS might want that one.

Sexnotgender · 02/03/2022 14:33

Received my letter today so will be requesting my paper copy shortly.

Waitwhat23 · 02/03/2022 14:44

The whole Jedi religion thing is quite interesting as it went as far as the Charity Commission to make a decision.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38368526#:~:text=In%20the%202011%20census%2C%20177%2C000,asked%20for%20the%20first%20time.

www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/dec/11/census-data-religion-jedi-knights

The Humanist Society have asked for people to not put Jedi as it obscures the numbers of those with no religion.

inews.co.uk/news/uk/hang-up-lightsabers-jedi-urged-2021-census-891007

(I'm aware these are articles about the England and Wales census' but fairly applicable in Scotland too)

TheUsualShitshow · 02/03/2022 15:27

Paper copy is ordered! I'm unsure about what to do.

Part of me wants to register all 4 people in our house as female, but I know that's illegal.

I think I will register my belief as biology though, that's a good idea.

ResilienceWanker · 02/03/2022 20:48

I don't think it's illegal, according to the guidance. That says if "you are not sure how to answer, you could use the sex registered on your official documents, such as your passport."

So you could use that, but you don't have to. And that "offer" isn't just limited to transgender people, but to anyone who "doesn't know how to answer". (The trans question is voluntary, so no requirement to admit if you are or aren't trans... If you even know - given the question requires you to know your sex and your gender, and whether they match or not...Confused).

I'm not sure I have a clue what anything is any more, let alone how my household are identifying today or if they want to go along with their passports or not. I just can't see how anyone could be prosecuted for "lying" on that question, given the guidance they have provided is sufficient to make anyone not know how to answer the (apparently simple) question.. . If only they had said "you must use what's on your birth certificate unless you have a GRC (in which case, tick this box)...and any different gender identity can be covered in the next question" Then everyone would know where they stood, and how many cervical smears vs prostate tests were needed.

mudgetastic · 03/03/2022 09:13

FPFW suggest

Answer sex question sensibly

In religion select your own religion ( if applicable ) and other which is "believer in biology "

ResilienceWanker · 03/03/2022 11:11

What is recommended to do with the trans question? Answer no, or just ignore it (as it's voluntary)? My gut feel is just to ignore as I disagree with the concept of gender (stereotypes) being a Thing That Is Important - rather than ticking "no" which agrees that I have a gender that is the same as my sex Confused. But will that be used as "ah, lots of people just don't consider the issue important as they haven't completed the question, so they don't really mind either way"?

I'll need to see how the religion thing works, as I don't have a stand alone box to tick for my "actual" religion, so need to use the free text boxes for that. And if I add both, they'll probably record it as a unique answer rather than add me to the congregation of belief in biology-ears as well as my actual faith group. I'm sure the census folk are just as able to play fast and loose with our answers as we are Grin

Quite like the idea of writing upside down, though Wink I may also use a REALLY thick black pen (they do ask for it to be black) and maybe get DC to do their own submissions (is there a minimum age?) which may make deciphering a little challenging (tenancy to write individual cursive lower case letters in boxes, rather than block capitals). I'm never normally this disruptive, honestly

TheUsualShitshow · 03/03/2022 12:30

This is from an email I got from For Women Scotland today which might help:

The guidance for the question "What is your sex?" in this month's Scottish census states that the answer you give can be different from the sex given on your birth certificate, and that a Gender Recognition Certificate is not needed. This means the data collected will be a mix of sex and "gender identity", and we will lose important information about the sex of our population, information that is vital in planning for services.

As a protest against this we recommend that people fill out the religion section of the census with "Believer in biology".
Most of us will have already received a letter about the census through our letterbox. If you haven't yet, it should arrive shortly. We ask that you follow the information given on the letter to request a household paper copy of the census.

Completing a paper copy, rather than completing it online, will not only cause the authorities inconvenience but also means that a historical record is preserved. Just as we can see the Suffragettes protest messages on the 1911 census, in a hundred years our granddaughters or great-granddaughters will be able to see that we also stood up.

We DO NOT recommend identifying as "non-binary" or anything that would lead to women not being recorded as female. However, having a paper copy gives us much more scope to be creative with writing messages - some good suggestions are on our Twitter thread. Other examples include Suffragette colour confetti inside the return envelope or writing your replies upside down on the census form.

Please remember to do this in addition to declaring that you are a "Believer in biology".
It is also possible for each member of your household to request their own personal paper copy of the census to complete. If possible, please do this too - it gives us multiple opportunities to protest. You don't need the access code from your census letter to order paper copies, just follow these steps:

  1. Go to www.census.gov.scot and click on "Make a request"
WouldBeGood · 04/03/2022 09:07

Thanks. I’ll order my paper copy and I am definitely a believer in biology!

How the fuck has it come to this? Totally insane, isn’t it?

LizzieMacQueen · 04/03/2022 12:18

Mine arrived. Okay. These q are voluntary but really, my sexual orientation?!?

Scotland Census - Request paper copy to demonstrate your support for the importance of collecting factual data
Scotland Census - Request paper copy to demonstrate your support for the importance of collecting factual data
Nomoreusernames1244 · 04/03/2022 12:21

This means the data collected will be a mix of sex and "gender identity", and we will lose important information about the sex of our population, information that is vital in planning for services

Just a thought- if everyone ticks the “female” box, would that result in a massive uplift in funding for womens services?

Could there be a campaign or something to get as many men as possible on board who would like to embrace their female side and tick that box?

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