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Settle in Kilmarnock?

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TSeeker · 20/11/2021 23:28

We are planning to buy a house and have been actively looking for around 2 months now. We are temporarily renting in the north of Kilmarnock to look for houses in Ayrshire & Glasgow region.

We were/are very interested in Troon/Barassie area but have been severely out-bid in couple of occasions. Old houses are going as high as £50-75K over the valuation. New builds (off-plan) are getting booked with reservation money paid within hours by ppl who didn't even bother to visit the show-home or the site - at-least that's what the EA told us when we called them. There's a lot of panic-buying frenzy.

So... Kilmarnock seems within our budget. We have heard pretty bad stories about Kilmarnock (Internet is rife with them). However the north side around South-Craig where we are seems like a good area so far. Wanted to ask if anyone lives around here and if you would recommend we buy a house here. Apart from that, it almost ticks all the boxes - theater/cinema, 24x7 ASDA, Aldi, Dunlem (probably the only one in Ayrshire?), Hospital, station, good access to Motorway etc.

We have remote jobs so we don't really care about much else like job opportunities etc. Only high speed Internet which too Kilmarnock has. However we have children who will soon be school going age. South-Craig seems to go to OnThank primary. We didn't grow up in the UK ourselves so don't quite know how the education system works here. Just a bit concerned that if our children go to an ill-reputed school they might have no motivation to study well or do well in life in general. Ofc it's a pretty sweeping statement but any parent out there would hopefully find a modicum of rationality in that or at-least understand our concerns.

Would you have any advice for us? Will schools or environment here be really bad for education or that's not how it works and we could try and instill good values in our children and hope they gravitate towards other good kids? The reason for fear is that the south of Kilmarnock is the opposite - videos from a few years back show teen gangs and drug addiction and fatal stabbings (among teens). Not sure how they end up that way when in the UK the education for kids is compulsory and the State should normally nudge them in the right direction continually. Not so where we came from and there we would understand why certain places have appalling literacy and huge crime. Bit confused about UK (or Scotland specifically).

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Brokenwing · 21/11/2021 15:28

@TSeeker

0h dear, that bad! We were looking for 4bed detached for under 300K. Troon and Ayr had a few advertised as well under that but ended up going for well over that. That's when we thought of trying South Craig in Kilmarnock. One possibility is to ask for placement request at Fenwick primary if OnThank primary is going to be that bad (I just finished watching the 1st 2 episodes of "The Scheme").

But I get the hint - I suppose we continue renting for sometime and hedge out bets on getting an in-budget house in Troon/Ayr/Prestwick.

How's Irvine? It has some blue (ie., good) bits in SIMD map So does South Craig and Annadale in Kilmarnock, being rated even above Troon in Decile value, though so not quite sure how to read into that overall).

We could try villages as suggested but we found they lack high speed Internet which is primary for our remote work (at-least above 250Mbps, currently we're at 500Mbps in Kilmarnock).

Another option is to explore East Kilbride but we've never been there before and it's far from the attractive coastal setting of west Ayrshire.

Hello neighbour 👋 We have lived in Southcraigs for the last 18 years.

ds(17) was in P2 in Onthank primary when the Scheme aired. What you see in the series bore absolutely no resemblance to reality throughout his time at Onthank, try not base your decisions on that program. Onthank primary has an intake from Southcraigs, Wardneuk and Onthank so is very mixed. Onthank itself also has varied areas and I know business owners, teachers, and professionals who live in Onthank, the majority are not at all like the vulnerable people dramatised and exploited in the program. I have never personally met anyone in Kilmarnock like the people dramatised in the program, I must just mix in different circles!!!

As someone said above every town in Ayrshire, and probably beyond, has good and a few bad streets.

The outstanding and well respected headmaster and depute head at Onthank when ds was there were very involved with all the children and promoted a zero tolerance culture of bullying and poor behaviour while supporting a small number of children from challenging backgrounds. Almost all parents from Southcraigs happily sent their children to Onthank primary. The excellent head retired when ds was in primary 7 and I don't know anyone with primary school aged children there now so not sure if the reputation has held up.

You could ask for a placement at Fenwick primary, I know someone who did back then but moved their child to Onthank after a couple of years and they were much happier there. The Fenwick primary school was too small a friendship pool, with composite classes and the village residents, while lovely to her face, a bit cliquey when it came to birthday parties etc and she found her child being the only one not invited.

The catchment academy for Southcraigs is the new Kilmarnock Academy opened in 2018 (on the James Hamilton site and merged with the original Kilmarnock Academy) and it is still finding its feet. ds is in S6 now and has done well at it with straight As in his NAT5s and Highers, but it is fair to say that is unusual and it was from his hard work outside of school. What I have seen with ds's friends is a huge part of the motivation to study and do well at school comes from the home environment/friendship groups and it is fair to say if kids don't have positive support they can fall behind and struggle to catch back up. The school does seem to focus more on vocational routes than academic which is understandable with its high intake from deprived areas and the challenges that gives them, but if your child is academic and supported at home they should succeed at school.

My nieces and nephews have had more problems with bullying impacting them and their education in schools in Irvine and Ayr than ds has seen in KA, but that will be dependant on the individual child and their cohort. ds seems to have struck lucky with his year group in comparison.

It is also fair to say Kilmarnock has its issues, like any town there are areas you would want to avoid and its town centre very poor but Silverburn and EK shopping centre are a very quick car journey away from Southcraigs, Braehead isn't too far either. Most people I know are either self employed, WFH, or commute outside Kilmarnock for work as there are limited professional jobs within the town.

I am not originally from Kilmarnock, but I have personally found the people I have met as warm and welcoming to me as I have been to them. It has a no airs and graces feel to it that is not for everyone, but it is also not the complete shit hole people make it out to be, there isn't a locked gate keeping us all here and many completely normal, professional, non-scheme-esk type people do enjoy living here. As you have been living here for 2 months now, take the people as you find them, not how others perceive them.

PS. Have you found the local Southcraigs facebook page? I'm sure if you have further local questions you could get replies there from people who actually live here now and get more feedback on the school from people who have children going there now.

LonelyWeegie · 21/11/2021 16:07

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Lamont77 · 21/11/2021 16:36

Hello, OP!

I'd choose Kilmarnock over Irvine. Irvine does have more shops and restaurants
but Kilmarnock gives easy access to Glasgow and there's the new Ayrshire college too, which is a great addition to the town. It's close to Glasgow and if you live near Southcraigs or Grassyards Rd, you will be at Silverburn in 20mins. But if you're remote working, I agree that Kilmaurs, Stewarton, Dunlop would be good options.

Anyway, nice areas in Kilmarnock:

London Road Area/ Kay Park / Dick Institute / - Loanhead Primary
McClelland Drive / Howard Park - Gargie or Annanhill primary
Gargieston/ Dundonald Road/ The Mount
Grange / Annanhill / Moorfield - Gargie or Annanhill primary
Southcraigs - Onthank Primary

Places that don't get a good rep :
Western Road
Dean Street
Longpark
Altonhill
Onthank

Parts of Bonnyton
Shortlees (IMO worse than Onthank)
Bellfield

New Farm Loch
Near the Dean Park

LonelyWeegie · 21/11/2021 16:42

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WeAllHaveWings · 21/11/2021 17:24

Thanks @LonelyWeegie, glad to see there is at least one other person supporting Kilmarnock getting a fair review 🤣

Have your children gone through onthank recently? Always wondered, and hoped, if the new head was as successful as Mr Banks? He really was a special head. I did hear Mrs Findlay the depute head was still there, she was another excellent teacher who knew every one of the 600 children there by name.

I can remember when ds was there, he would tell me throughout the day there would be a constant stream of children sent to see either Mr Banks or Mrs Findlay for a short motivatition chat about poor behaviour such as talking in class or just as often for good work and they would get a sticker, pencil topper, stretchy man, badge etc out the box. Surprised either of them got any work done!!

raspberrymuffin · 21/11/2021 17:53

Sorry, you're actually using the Scottish Index of Multiple Deprivation to decide where is "good enough" for you to buy a house? It's been a long time since I've heard anything quite so distasteful. No wonder the achievement gap between kids from rich and poor kids is getting so bad in Scotland.

For what it's worth I live in a 'light blue' area where a significant proportion of the local teenagers are the kind of overprivileged little shits who think nothing of setting fire to community assets built by local volunteers or harassing vulnerable people. In the orange area where I used to live they wouldn't have dared, someone would have given them such a bollocking.

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TSeeker · 21/11/2021 20:32

Wow so many helpful comments. It's a real privilege to get these information gratis.

@raspberrymuffin I had no idea about SIMD and I got that from many mumsnet posts using that as an indicator to "judge" an area so I thought that's how it's done here. However I see now from your post that it's not that black-or-white (or not all blue-or-red in this case lol). Thank you for pointing out.

To all of yous, I've read every post in this thread and went over them with my partner too and feel much more informed now. I can't thank u all enough for taking out the time to write all this!

@Brokenwing hope your DS excels in his life, loads of luck!

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flindorama · 21/11/2021 21:07

I don't usually comment much but Kilmarnock gets some amount of bashing and it's generally so unfair and based on that ridiculous programme.

@brokenwing and @LonelyWeegie it's nice to see something positive. I completely agree.

I grew up in Killie, went to Gargieston Primary and the Grange. As a kid I liked it, lots of relatives nearby in surrounding areas. 10 minutes or so to Troon/Prestwick, close to Glasgow on the train. You can be rural in minutes walking from the house. I moved away to Edinburgh then moved back when I had kids to be closer to family. Stayed in Dundonald Rd area and DC went to Gargieston too and now at Grange Academy. We've now moved to a fabulous house in the Grange Estate. Loads of clubs and sports for the DC to do. We go to Killie home games too. It has a strong community feel to it. I'm also a teacher in Kilmarnock, I'll not say where but I've taught all over East and North Ayrshire. Schools are all very similar. My eldest DC is on target for 7 Nat5s at As and Bs although so we'll see how well that goes! Laziness aside.

I'd stay here over Irvine any day of the week.

WeAllHaveWings · 21/11/2021 21:56

@flindorama, 👋🏼 the killie crowd are coming out the woodwork tonight, didn't realise there were so many of us!

Ds(17) has loved going to the killie games with his friends since he was around 13/14. Then he started to go to the away games on the supporters buses and enjoyed their success with Steve Clarke. The Killie supporters are great, the adults on the supporters buses keep an eye out for the younger ones and there has never been a hint of trouble. Now they are 17 (and over 6ft!) they also sneak them into the pub and get them a wee half pint of dark fruits cider before the game 🤣. Bonus of it being a smaller club is the season tickets for kids are much cheaper! KTID.

I am originally from Irvine and the two towns definitely have a different feel to them. I love that in kilmarnock lots of the kids from KA and the Grange socialise well together outside of school due to the community links either through family connections, football or other clubs. Ds told me tonight he and some of his KA friends have been invited to a new years eve party 🤨 with some grange academy kids. Have to have a think about that one, it will be the first time he had been away from home for new years, guess I need to let him grow up!

Good luck with the NAT5s, ds is revising for his 2 x Advanced Highers and 2 x Highers this year and finding it much tougher than previous years.

Jasharps · 22/11/2021 11:17

Another person who is happy living in Kilmarnock. It gets a fair amount of negativity from all corners unfairly in my opinion.

My dad is actually Killie born and bred however we lived all over (down south, Australia, perthshire) as I was growing up but he is now settled back here and I met my husband living and working in Edinburgh and India and his family have also ended up in Kilmarnock.

Me and DH moved here from Glasgow when our 4th DC was born to be closer to family and have better options for schools.

Ours go to Gargieston which we love. Iove the community feel of kilmarnock and our kids are involved in some fantastic clubs, many now put on by vibrant communities as well. The new head at Onthank is Gargieston's old HT Mrs Wright and shes fabulous and as others have mentioned, despite the stigma attached thanks to the Scheme show Onthank has been a well respected school for decades.

Anywhere in Scotland has it's ups and downs, good bits and bits. I think you need to consider the full picture.

We've been really happy here and have lived all over the world.

Fabuleuse · 22/11/2021 11:33

@raspeberrymuffin Nothing wrong at all with using the SIMD map as one factor in decision making on areas like the OP is doing, I don't know why you felt the need to be so rude. The SIMD map takes into account for example crime rates, health outcomes including those related to drugs and alcohol, and geographic access to various amenities - it's not just about income. I think it's absolutely fair enough to take this into account when buying a house.

I'm saying this from the murky depths of a consistently dark red SIMD 1 neighborhood zone on the map btw, where I've lived happily for 28 years. OP I'm sure you are aware, but I would not discount these areas completely - my street is a lovely peaceful cul de sac, and the street next to it is full of amazing and extremely expensive Victorian villas but we still come out as SIMD 1.

Fabuleuse · 22/11/2021 11:34

PS sorry I don't know anything about Kilmarnock though, I'm not in Ayrshire but another council area fairly close.

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