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Scot Gov remove the word mother

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MamsellMarie · 22/10/2021 06:24

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3c959dba-2d2e-11ec-a548-f9bb1ebf6985?shareToken=97ed5650046188361a991b6c6cf63275

LGBT activists get word ‘mother’ axed from Scottish government policies
These are the gov maternity policies
I'm surprised there hasn't been a thread on this. The link is to the Times but I am not subscribed so can only link to the initial part of the article.
I feel really sad about this. I chose to be a mother as did my DDs they didn't sign up to be a pregnant person who gave birth. Why can't we just have pregnant transman or transman who gave birth. Why do words associated with women need to be struck from our language.

There is a good discussion on Stephen Nolan's BBC Sounds podcast
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p09yjmph/episodes/player
episode 6. I am stunned that no one seems concerned!

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LizzieMacQueen · 22/10/2021 23:25

You might be interested in adding your name to this petition.

Letter in support of BPAS and sex based language http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4381625-Letter-in-support-of-BPAS-and-sex-based-language

MamsellMarie · 23/10/2021 04:46

I genuinely can't think who would want this?
Stonewall. The more changes are 'required' to be supportive of trans people the more their advice must be sought and paid for by Govs like Scottish Gov. You'd think money might be needed for other stuff right now - but no the 'disadvantaged' trans are the priority.

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334bu · 24/10/2021 08:57

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"Losing sight of women's rights: the unregulated introduction of gender self-identification as a case study of policy capture in Scotland"
You might find this study by Murray Mackenzie Blackburn interesting.

The erasure of language which formerly referred only to people of the female sex is potentially very damaging to women's legal rights. If woman can mean anybody who says they are a women or, as it is defined in one of the examples in the Gender Equality on Public Boards Act ,anyone who uses a female name on their utility bills, how on earth can you prove sex discrimination or monitor the sex pay gap.

334bu · 24/10/2021 09:06

Sorry for extraneous cut and paste material.

twangyhairband · 24/10/2021 09:20

@FreshFancyFrogglette

What difference does it make?
Being a birthing parent does not have the care-giving and nurture connotations of motherhood. Many women's identities and social roles are intrinsically tied to being a mother (yes, and maybe also a lawyer, engineer, nurse, but mother too). If identity matters for minority groups, it can matter for much larger groups too and should be acknowledged.

Also - the impact on your life, opportunities and rights from being a mother doesn't just result from having given birth. Motherhood matters.

334bu · 24/10/2021 09:26

" Mother" also has a legal meaning and is enshrined in some laws which give protection to women. Erasing the language used to describe a discrete group of people is a big deal.

MamsellMarie · 24/10/2021 12:30

I also think it could be gay male married couples who might have an interest in removing the importance of the term mother. Famous Couples are applauded and congratulated on planning/starting a family but of course that requries a surrogate mother parent (female). Perhaps neither of them being the mother is uncomfortable for them - so what's the answer? Remove the term mother.

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334bu · 24/10/2021 13:17

I think it is more about desexualising any language which refers to things which only the female of the species can do or experience. If" woman " can be a person of either sex, it is important that any language which would traditionally be understood to refer only to woman, meaning a female person, has to be erased

annabelindajane · 28/10/2021 11:21

Perhaps the SNP need the economic equivalent of Stonewall to advise on running the economy and Scotland in general 😂

I’m writing to my MSP to protest about this and various other issues that are stealthily passed without much comment . Not that it will change anything . I wonder when they get independence whether there will be any money to pursue these virtue signalling policies .

WouldBeGood · 28/10/2021 14:22

This is just so depressing.

It really is about erasing women

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