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Whats happening with universities this year?

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ssd · 02/09/2021 12:07

Are they back as normal or is it still online?

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ClerkMaxwell · 03/09/2021 10:24

Business masters for my DS2 but likely to be similar with lectures online. He doesn't mind online lectures.

Lessstressedhemum · 03/09/2021 10:47

DD is 3rd year biomedical engineering at Strathclyde. She hasn't been told much but is expecting lectures to be online but labs and tutorials to be in person. Masks worn and social distancing will be in place, I think.
They have booked appointment slots to collect flat keys and move into accommodation and are only allowed to take one person to help them move in. There are some in person activities during Freshers week but others are still online only.
Communication has been absolutely guff, tbh.

sartorius · 03/09/2021 11:31

Expect it's going to very much depend on the subject.
Some of the arts faculty courses which are very lecture heavy in 1st & 2nd yr may only have couple of 1 hr face to face tutorials a week.
Going to be difficult for those students to meet people, especially if they're not living in university halls.

DD1 knows people who have just got timetable and are already officially complaining to their faculty about lack of in person teaching when they can freely go to nightclubs, cinemas etc with no social distancing.
They are using argument their education is more important than entertainment venues.

Newgirls · 03/09/2021 12:14

Well done those students 👍

St. Andrews have reported that over 70% of students have had two jabs and over 90% one jab so the idea that students are super spreaders isn’t fair. They are doing their best!

ChequerBoard · 03/09/2021 12:20

DD is starting at UofG next week and has been told lectures will be online but tutorials will be in person.

BravoWhisky · 03/09/2021 20:46

Universities are following Scottish Government guidelines. Students can complain all they like but unless the guidelines change, all Scottish universities will be offering very similar teaching arrangements with face-to-face tutorials/labs and online/recorded lectures.
Even if restrictions are lifted very soon it's too late for drastic changes to first semester as we've spent the summer getting ready to teach on this basis - which is different to normal but not as restrictive as last year.

weegiemum · 03/09/2021 20:53

It seems to be basically large groups online, small groups f2f. That's what I've gathered from the variety of students through our house!

Dd2 is at FE college doing a very practical course, her classes are pretty much all in person (hard to practice a massage on your own!) but the students are able to dial in if they've tested positive.

Newgirls · 04/09/2021 08:14

@BravoWhisky

Universities are following Scottish Government guidelines. Students can complain all they like but unless the guidelines change, all Scottish universities will be offering very similar teaching arrangements with face-to-face tutorials/labs and online/recorded lectures. Even if restrictions are lifted very soon it's too late for drastic changes to first semester as we've spent the summer getting ready to teach on this basis - which is different to normal but not as restrictive as last year.
Perhaps unis can use their collective voices to discuss with government. Unis are so out of step with the rest of Scotland.
ResilienceWanker · 04/09/2021 09:56

It does seem to vary loads according to uni, and also different departments/ courses within the same uni. Some is just due to the nature of the course. First year courses designed to get the "basics" of the subject, are often big lectures (several hundred) supplemented with smaller tutorials/ workshops/ seminars/ labs where the interactive stuff goes on. Later years often seem to have more, smaller groups, with more specialised lectures - more like school classes. If the limit of students in a class is 50 for f2f, that could well impact the freshers more than others, which does seem unfair. Especially given they can mix freely in pubs etc! Though also, the nature of those big lectures is usually just imparting information and not that interactive. So there need not be any particular reason why that can't be online, as long as there is the capability for students to ask questions/ follow up with the lecturer or peers afterwards. (I was never too keen on early morning lectures as a student, so if I could have watched them from bed rather than trudging a couple of miles up a hill for 9am, I'd have possibly been up for that! If the internet gad been invented when I was a student, obviously... )

Unis have been constrained by government guidance, though, and also the glacially slow and complex uni admin systems. DHs uni had to arrange room allocations etc in May for September's intake, and they had to base the calculations allowing for 1m distancing, which was the rule at the time. On the basis that if the gov didn't relax that, everything would have had to go back online! In practice, the higher grades this year has meant they have about 20% more students than they'd planned for, so are now having to squish more students into each room. So it's lucky they no longer have the 1m restriction, and also that the way rooms were allocated has given them space to do that!

Also, I know it's very stereotyped to say, but in general the science faculties are much keener to get back to f2f teaching than arts/ humanities/ social sciences. The latter do seem much more unionised, and the UCU is very opposed to f2f, saying it's not safe, people shouldn't be forced back to campus and so on - which seems very short sighted in my opinion, but there you go. (Why a union is saying its members' jobs can easily be done by a prerecorded lecture and some Zoom calls, so asking for a reduction in the number of people needed to do that job, is beyond me!). To be fair, in general the working conditions etc in science faculties are better (more money sloshing around) so it's not entirely unexpected or unjustified. But it does seem a total lottery for the students, sadly.

AdvancedHighers · 04/09/2021 20:15

I really feel for the students going into their 3rd years having yet another year impacted by this bastard pandemic. I’m selfishly hoping that by 2022 it will have gone back to ‘normal’ but I think online lectures might be here to stay.

Newgirls · 05/09/2021 16:08

@ResilienceWanker

It does seem to vary loads according to uni, and also different departments/ courses within the same uni. Some is just due to the nature of the course. First year courses designed to get the "basics" of the subject, are often big lectures (several hundred) supplemented with smaller tutorials/ workshops/ seminars/ labs where the interactive stuff goes on. Later years often seem to have more, smaller groups, with more specialised lectures - more like school classes. If the limit of students in a class is 50 for f2f, that could well impact the freshers more than others, which does seem unfair. Especially given they can mix freely in pubs etc! Though also, the nature of those big lectures is usually just imparting information and not that interactive. So there need not be any particular reason why that can't be online, as long as there is the capability for students to ask questions/ follow up with the lecturer or peers afterwards. (I was never too keen on early morning lectures as a student, so if I could have watched them from bed rather than trudging a couple of miles up a hill for 9am, I'd have possibly been up for that! If the internet gad been invented when I was a student, obviously... )

Unis have been constrained by government guidance, though, and also the glacially slow and complex uni admin systems. DHs uni had to arrange room allocations etc in May for September's intake, and they had to base the calculations allowing for 1m distancing, which was the rule at the time. On the basis that if the gov didn't relax that, everything would have had to go back online! In practice, the higher grades this year has meant they have about 20% more students than they'd planned for, so are now having to squish more students into each room. So it's lucky they no longer have the 1m restriction, and also that the way rooms were allocated has given them space to do that!

Also, I know it's very stereotyped to say, but in general the science faculties are much keener to get back to f2f teaching than arts/ humanities/ social sciences. The latter do seem much more unionised, and the UCU is very opposed to f2f, saying it's not safe, people shouldn't be forced back to campus and so on - which seems very short sighted in my opinion, but there you go. (Why a union is saying its members' jobs can easily be done by a prerecorded lecture and some Zoom calls, so asking for a reduction in the number of people needed to do that job, is beyond me!). To be fair, in general the working conditions etc in science faculties are better (more money sloshing around) so it's not entirely unexpected or unjustified. But it does seem a total lottery for the students, sadly.

I think you’ve summed it up perfectly
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