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Exam diet 2021.

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wingingitwithgin · 25/03/2021 17:56

So we were told no National 5s or Highers last term.
My child has been continually assessed and tested week after week. Prelims in school before Christmas and online after Christmas.

Online learning better than 2020 but not great. No live lessons. Lots and lots of new material given but not taught.
Today announced exams to go ahead start of May as planned. Prelims disregarded as some done online so all prelims even school sat ones won't count.
Exam in May will determine grade. If pupil is self isolating /COVID they will use other evidence.

My child is burnt out by the switching of goalposts. Another month doing new material, no study leave then exams like normal (only the poor teachers marking them)

Ok this would seem fair if all schools doing this but their friends at 2 different high schools say they are just continuing with mini class tests like autumn term. Madness the difference in approach.

What are your schools doing?

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dementedpixie · 25/03/2021 18:13

Ours will do 2 sets of assessments once back at school I think. They didn't get prelims.

dementedpixie · 25/03/2021 18:16

I've just checked an email and it says:

At present we have planned two assessment windows that will allow teachers to continue with teaching and learning and assess candidates when they are ready.

Initial assessment window will be 26th April – 14th May

Final assessment window will be 24th May – 18th June

applesandpears33 · 25/03/2021 19:26

Exam diet. Prelims don't count for anything. It is very unfair that some schools are doing a variety of assessments and can choose the best ones to submit. I'm worried my DC will get too stressed with one subject in particular as everything is riding on the exam.

wingingitwithgin · 25/03/2021 21:15

This year has been one big ball of stress. I know all the testing should leave them better prepared but honestly it's been so awful. Test after test. Assessments after assessments. Teachers all warning them it will all count towards their final mark but now it doesn't!

A few weeks notice for proper exams of a 2 year course , cramming in lots of new material after Easter. No study leave. No time to go over exam papers with teachers.

Been in school this week 2 days but not even put with their own class teachers. Total waste of time.
I don't blame the teachers or management at the school. It must be a nightmare to organise.
What's so unfair is the totally different approach other schools have taken.
How can low level class topic tests all added up be equated with big one chance 2.5hour exam with full 2 year course.

If all schools had the same method of assessing that would be fine but obviously they haven't.
We were told the kids wouldn't be disadvantaged due to 2 blocks of home learning and periods of self isolation but clearly they have just said oh well let's steam on and do it the way we know.

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WeAllHaveWings · 25/03/2021 21:47

Two assessment blocks here, one when they return after easter then again in may. The one in May well be the main one. They didn't do prelims and any online tests don't count (which I agree with)

Ds says it is ok (hopefully because he is comfortable and not because he doesn't realise how much he still needs to do 😱) with most of his Highers, biggest problem he has is English which he would have benefitted from more face to face and also because his teacher has been absent a lot and no other teacher knew her choosen texts.

Physics and chemistry have completed course last week so revision only now over easter, maths only has a couple of topics to do (circles and logs?) but concentrating on revision until they are back in class and first assessments wont have those topics in them. French is ok, the teacher gave them the choice to do their talking assessment this week if they felt ready or wait until after easter so he did his to get it out the way and he did ok so one less thing to do over Easter.

He's just completely lost with English and trying to teach himself with revision guides and scholar as he needs at least a B 🤞🏼

notanexam · 26/03/2021 11:42

Article about this posted today

www.tes.com/news/SQA-petition-calls-end-sqa-exams-all-name

wingingitwithgin · 26/03/2021 13:54

@notanexam thank you. The points raised in this article are my concerns.
Can't see anything changing at this late stage though.
It's the disparity between schools I'm annoyed about. All schools should assess the same way. It's only fair...... but we always knew it wouldn't be fair anyway I suppose.

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dancerdog · 26/03/2021 15:34

But surely schools have the autonomy to assess as they wish and see fit? If they don't should the LAs be imposing one way of assessment across all schools?

LookAChicken · 26/03/2021 16:06

It's such a mess.

latissimusdorsi · 26/03/2021 16:17

It's all a mess!
The reason we have exams is to standardise. This is just going to lead to so many people complaining they were assessed differently to the next school

WeAllHaveWings · 26/03/2021 19:48

@dancerdog

But surely schools have the autonomy to assess as they wish and see fit? If they don't should the LAs be imposing one way of assessment across all schools?
East ayrshire approach is standard across the LA (I think). We have had a few emails saying they were working on it together. We had a communication today which said:

Provisional grades will be submitted to the Local Authority by Friday 11th June. This will allow for both local and regional scrutiny of a school’s grades. Any subsequent amendment of grades would be clearly communicated to all stakeholders.

movingblues · 31/03/2021 10:38

Agree it is a terrible mess. These poor kids have struggled through the year with max 4 months face to face teaching if they are lucky. Now in my DS school they have told them to revise over Easter and they will be assessed throughout May but no timetable available and each subject will be broken down into multiple assessments. So they need to be on top form for all subjects all month! Pressure, at least with exams they would be told when they are and what they would be facing - its awful

poochiemaloochie · 31/03/2021 21:34

We were told we would be given a list of assessment dates etc before easter holidays now we will not know until after holidays. I feel the kids were told no exams but this assessment system just seems like exams to me . After being told constantly that every test they sat while in school last year was going towards their grade now it seems none of that will count which is about to tip my already fragile child into stress meltdown. The pressure of these assessments is all consuming for them and i'm worried sick

dementedpixie · 31/03/2021 21:44

We had a parent council meeting last night on zoom and were told about 2 assessment periods for our school after easter and that the papers would be cut down into smaller chunks so they wouldn't be sitting full papers at a time.

Haudyourwheesht · 31/03/2021 22:03

Aye, but what will happen with that is they'll just have shorter assessments every few days. So potentially more than one a day, certainly a couple a week if you're doing 8 N5s.

wingingitwithgin · 01/04/2021 00:18

Our school is having a proper exam timetable like the real exams.
My child has 5 subjects in one week back to back. Other 3 spread over following week.
Maths, languages and sciences will have 2 papers sat on same day with 20min break in between!

But other schools are spreading the assessments out. Why the different approach?

They were tested non stop since last August , told every single test will count. Every prelims will count but now say it won't unless off ill or isolating.

This year has been one big ball of stress and I feel bad as I went on about how important each test was in autumn.

So now 100% exams with a few weeks notice after a 3 month period of very poor online delivery where they pushed though the courses to get finished!
Their return to school will involve going over all this new material.
No supported revision classes or study leave.
For their 1st experience of formal exams it's very stressful

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Lidlfix · 01/04/2021 07:34

Where my DDs go 2 lots one set when they go back and then another in late May. Thank goodness she's S6 and only doing 3! There is no study leave or exam timetable these will take place in normal lessons.

Where I teach - in class, less formal papers during a targeted revision phase. Revise an aspect of the course then give a secure past paper question. Followed by a period of more formal timetabled exams.

When this marking (plus moderation at a school and authority level) can be fitted in whilst we are teaching our supposed to take place is a mystery Confused

WeAllHaveWings · 01/04/2021 08:57

Our school did a zoom meeting for S4-S6 assessments last night.

They confirmed they will have trial assessments as soon as they are back after easter, possibly 2 a day, in their double periods if possible or split over two periods. These are to highlight gaps for revision. But also if a child misses May assessment due to isolating and they can't squeeze it in later, they could be used a evidence. They also spoke about SQA saying awards will all be evidence based this year, evidence will need to be taken in school towards the end of the course (after easter), no evidence no award.

Someone also asked about the part of higher maths they haven't done and they confirmed they won't be done as there is optionality in the assessments. Good to know for these assessments, but not good they are missing out chunks of the course when he is doing AH maths next year, but will cross that bridge if we come to it.

Another asked, if a child gets the same assessment mark % as another child at another school in Scotland will they be awarded the same grade? Our head teacher struggled to answer that, but basically said no because the assessment difficulties could vary.

This wasn't something I considered before. How do they have consistency across schools, or get into the details of how hard an assessment is compared to another school? I am now convinced this just an alternative way to apply the hated post code algorithm which penalised individual children from schools that normally do not perform as well.

I was ok with the exam style assessments as felt it would be the fairest way for every child to get a shot at doing their best regardless of the school they are in. Now feel a bit winded that his grades might be unfairly adjusted again by either the school or the LA because he is at a shit school (obviously haven't told ds this!).

LizzieMacQueen · 01/04/2021 09:19

My DH in S6 was told (he says he heard this 2nd hand, so pinch of salt ...) that the teacher can only allocate so many A grades and these would be awarded to the kids holding conditional offers. This in a cohort of AH maths students, all of about the same ability.

As my DH has unconditionals I can't decide whether to challenge this.

WeAllHaveWings · 01/04/2021 10:33

If I was in that situation, I think I would leave it. It is 2nd hand, they will deny it, this whole pandemic/education situation is bad, but as there is no impact on your ds progressing to uni I would encourage him to still do his best in preparation for uni and say he needs to assume it is not true but if it is, he takes one for the team so his classmates get their entry requirements.

But it does worry me again, for my ds who needs AAAAB for his Highers to comfortably have the grades for his engineering uni course he is applying to next year this isn't going to be a direct take a test, get your actual result.

(I am assuming you mean ds and not your dh !)

Lidlfix · 01/04/2021 10:38

No cap on amount of A grades I can award. Evidence based and I must be confident that my (already moderated at school and authority marking) will stand up to SQA scrutiny. In my experience when I mark for SQA I have to "recalibrate my settings" as I am consistently stricter than they are. My pupils quite like this , any other year, as they know a "Mrs Lidl A" is a reliable indicator. This year I am putting my SQA hat on in my classroom marking .

Still feels ridiculous what these young people who have been through so much are being expected to do. Excellent piece shared by Emma Seith in TESS about it .

I notice the topic of exams and the inconsistency is featuring in the news. I wonder if our plans may change again? As of 1505 I am switching off teacher mode GinWine.

millymoo1202 · 01/04/2021 11:17

My son has a proper exam timetable in exam conditions , not impressed in slightest! He hasn’t seen a maths teacher since December. We are South Aberdeenshire

notanexam · 01/04/2021 11:25

I'm still struggling to understand how SQA and ScotGov can even begin to think it is fair to assess pupils with SQA standard exam questions on a course that's only had 4 months face to face teaching. No supported study, no Easter study and a large period of pupils struggling to teach themselves at home with likely poor motivation, isolation and poor self discipline given they are young teens.

Our school has been excellent communicating the plan for assessments and have more or less said that SQA have not changed the goalposts post lockdown for evidence gathering so their hands are tied. I don't agree with the assessments though and I don't think my daughter will do well as she has struggled with some subjects, maths in particular.

I know teachers will be under much stress and pressure also. Hopefully Easter holidays give a good break and reset time for all Teachers.

HigherOptions · 01/04/2021 12:03

Warning: Rant alert!!

My worry is that the kids won't have approached these 'non-exam' 'exams' in the same way they would have approached proper SQA exams. Because there has been so much doubt and uncertainty as to what exactly they were going to be tested on, how often, under what conditions, when etc... many have just been ploughing through the work at home as best they can.

And what absolutely cannot be denied is that the fact that the quality of their learning in these past 4 months has been so varied. In some subjects my DS has coped by supplementing the lesson with a degree of self-research and self-directed 'revision'. But there has been an absolute clash and conflict between him continuing with the sometimes (not always) poorly presented 'lessons' and the background pressure and stress of 'when do I get my revision in? How do I prioritise the online 'classroom' work and yet continue to revise what I've learnt so far?

Often, my DS has felt the pressure to submit the work set in his online classes for fear that potentially it was THIS work that would have been used as evidence for his final grade. That was the perceived 'threat' that was constantly playing out - what if we don't get to take tests and it's our homework that matters?. And all the while knowing there were areas of the curriculum that he hasn't consolidated or that he feels are weaker but he hasn't got the time to go over them in a concerted way - not enough hours in the day with 4 other subjects all doing the same. His revision has been compromised.

And I've got to say, some of the online teaching offering has been appalling. He showed me how a teacher had uploaded a screen where they were writing out how to solve a particular mathematical problem. There was voiceover narration as the teacher wrote out the problem and explained the solution. A good approach I thought - except the video cut out and stuttered throughout so there would be writing with no audio, and audio with no writing and what looked like jump cuts from the middle of a complicated equation to the end with a whole chunk of explanation missed out. I told him to complain and let the teacher know but he wouldn't because this was a lesson that he should have submitted work on over a week ago - he'd got behind on it and he feared the teacher would have a go at him for obviously not keeping up with the class work. And, interestingly, no other pupil had commented in the comments section that they were having problems or struggling because of this technical hiccup - either they weren't paying attention or were just feeling too defeated by their online learning that they thought it was pointless complaining.

And the quality of his Music lessons was erratic too. Uploaded, pre-recorded clips where two pieces of music played at the same time (he had to compare the two pieces of music while they played across each other) Another lesson where the music sounded like it had been recorded in a dustbin that was so distorted that it made a delicate piano piece sound like a piece of industrial techno!

I know that the issues I have described were essentially technical - and that the teachers are under enormous pressure. In class this would never have happened - it's purely down to the remote, digital nature of the delivery. The teachers that delivered these lessons were dedicated and capable but there is no getting away from the fact that the lessons were sub-par. The teachers themselves had obviously put them out without checking how they were playing on other devices. They obviously didn't have the time or were grappling with bad technology - I get that. BUT this will have to be taken into account. Some kids have had excellent online lessons - some kids haven't. I hope to God there's allowances for this.

Sounds like many of us have had the same sort of Zoom/Teams interactions with our schools these past days. Sets of 'prelim- style' exams immediately upon going back - and then a week or two to put everything right (ha!) and then proper 'exam-like' assessments. This time of year is never 'fun' but this year it's going to be tougher than ever.

LizzieMacQueen · 01/04/2021 12:37

@WeAllHaveWings Haha, yes I did mean DS. I'm not a crazy cradle snatcher!!

They're covering this on Radio Scotland right now.

And I take the point that it's probably all bull. In fact maybe he's softening me up for him bot getting an A.

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