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Has anyone ever taken out a grievance against their boss in a school?

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namechangegrievance · 02/11/2020 12:49

I'm looking for advice on behalf of a friend about taking out a grievance against a PT in a school.
Her behaviour is undoubtedly unreasonable but not sure if grievance worthy. Examples include: general rudeness, mood swings, moaning at teachers in front of classes, controlling behaviour, unannounced classroom visits (usually with some negative comment). Constant passive aggressive emails. Bitching about staff members.

It's bad, I've experienced it myself, but I'm not sure that it's not enough to successfully prove a grievance.

She does make everyone's life miserable. Is there anything that can be done?

In the past informal complaints were made with managers / heads etc but nothing actually happened. She played the victim for a few weeks and calmed down but has since reared her head again.

Has anyone been through the process? Any advice?

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KatyandClover · 02/11/2020 15:31

She has my sympathies. A member of my department was appalling, obstructive and uncooperative. In spite of my record of the many incidents there would be a little chat with her or with both of us and after a few weeks it all started up again. School management in my experience is extremely poor at handling such issues.

As far as a grievance was concerned, I considered it but was advised against it by my union rep. I hope someone else can be more helpful, because I can't remember exactly why, but I understand you need a lot of documented evidence.

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grumplass · 02/11/2020 16:09

Grievances are a nightmare especially in schools -they are so hierarchical and she will probably end up working for the PT again who is unlikely to change.
She should look for another job.

Russell19 · 02/11/2020 16:18

Sorry but what's PT? 🙄

KatyandClover · 02/11/2020 16:20

Principal teacher / head of department.

namechangegrievance · 02/11/2020 20:27

Looking for another job is tricky as well. Just likely to make her more of a target. It feels like such an impossible situation.

It's amazing that people can behave like that in the workplace and get away with it.

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Whitestick · 02/11/2020 21:31

I'm a rep. The grievance only needs to be taken out if the school procedure fails. So really she needs to make complaints about what is happening to her. Presumably they won't be dealt with and then she would have a grievance. The best person to advise is her own rep. If the school doesn't have one, there will be a local association phone number or email who can give her advice. She should write everything down and be as specific as possible.

namechangegrievance · 02/11/2020 22:49

She has taken advice from her rep and they are in the gathering evidence stage. Just as you suggest she is writing everything down but is a bit anxious about what might come next. It will be pretty horrific if she lays everything bare and then not much happens.

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Justaminute123 · 03/11/2020 19:59

Im sorry to hear about your friend’s difficulties at work, it can really make going to work unpleasant. I’d suggest your friend continues to take Union advice and discusses the particulars of the concerns eg specific examples, dates, witnesses etc. They can then gauge the level of concern and hopefully suggest a proportionate means of trying to resolve the issue. Are there any similarly concerned colleagues who would want to raise similar concerns? Your friend would need to be careful scoping that out though, incase word got back to the person complained about. Any unpleasant/unprofessional written communications are best printed and shared too, although most of these issues tend to happen verbally.

I think your friend’s starting point needs to be ‘what outcome am I looking for?’ ‘Is this realistic knowing the colleague concerned?’

Some who have complaints raised against them are mortified/upset and things get sorted quickly. The majority however are defensive and deny the allegations. Your friend will be in the best position, knowing her colleague, to make a guess at how any complaint, informal or formal, will be received. Without evidence, a complaint won’t be upheld. Even if a complaint is upheld, your friend should work on the presumption that they will still be required to work together with them.

If the unprofessional behaviours are relatively subtle with no witnesses, it’s a tricky one. Informal and formal grievances don’t tend to improve relations, unfortunately. It’s not uncommon for those raising complaints to seek a transfer elsewhere after its concluded as they end up feeling they aren’t able to work with the person they complained about anymore, understandably, but employers aren’t obliged to create an alternative job elsewhere to enable that.

If your friend wishes to take action, it’s best to start with the lowest level of intervention that they feel comfortable with. Options might include - informally approaching them privately to discuss directly; informal meeting with management (and union reps for both parties?) to discuss your friend’s perception of colleague’s behaviour towards them, and how this makes them feel at work (your friend is entitled to her perceptions and feelings, without needing to evidence these specifically, so this might be an easier way to phrase the issues where evidence is scant); another ‘level up’, depending on what the employer can arrange, is mediation - the colleague would need to agree to participate with your friend, however. The employer can’t oblige them (although it doesn’t look great for someone in a more senior role to refuse to engage in concerns raised about them, IMO).

I think, realistically, your friend needs to be applying for new positions at the same time. If employed by a local authority, HR/their union may be able to advise on whether there is a list for those putting themselves forward for voluntary redeployment in the event of future restructuring.

It’s not uncommon for individuals to end up on long term sick leave with stress due to such workplace issues, which can make it even trickier to proactively search for a new position, so it’s best to actively pursue that now I think before getting too ground down by it all.

Wishing your friend all the best with whatever they decide to do.

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