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BBC decision to stop airing the daily briefings

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Srictlybakeoff · 11/09/2020 09:35

Just as things start to get more worrying again, the BBC have decided to stop showing the First Ministers daily briefings. There is an implication that the decision is political. It seems o me to be a very biased move.

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Lidlfix · 11/09/2020 19:16

Amadeus just because you don't know them does not discount their existence. My previous shielding DF does not want to handle a newspaper. But I am glad that you and your peers are tech savvy and confident. I will continue to support inclusion for everyone and the daily briefings represented that to many who are not able to contribute to discussions line these.

epcot15 · 11/09/2020 19:20

About time been on far too long, I'd rather watch re runs of prisoner cell block h whilst sticking pins in my eyes Grin

Srictlybakeoff · 11/09/2020 19:26

I don’t agree that they are party political broadcasts . I think she is very articulate and explains what is happening very well. As folks have said - many elderly people might use this as their main source of what’s happening. And if she’s not on it’s bargain hunt in its place.
If the decision had been made when numbers were low I would have understood more but we are potentially on the brink of things changing quickly given how exponential growth happens - so why now

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AmadeustheAlpaca · 11/09/2020 19:47

Lidlfix, if your husband is no longer shielding, there appears to be no reason why he shouldn’t handle a newspaper. I take it he never touches anything outside his house and sterilises his shopping. What an illogical argument for supporting Ms Sturgeons daily broadcasts. Is he elderly and retired, is he unfamiliar with using the internet? There’s always the evening news on telly. If the FM had stuck to representing facts and not used BBC licence payers money to promote SNP propaganda perhaps her broadcasts on TV would have continued. Anyway there’s still the internet, I take it that as you are capable of posting on Mumsnet you can show him how to access the online version of the FM briefing

AmadeustheAlpaca · 11/09/2020 19:54

Strictlybakedoff: they have probably been cancelled because numbers ARE low, we are in the fortunate position of having very low numbers of deaths. No point in catastrophising about what might or might not happen, some posters seem to be rubbing their well sanitised hands in glee at the thought that there might be huge spikes in cases and lots more hospital admissions. Numbers in cases are rising, hospital admissions are tiny compared with May.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/09/2020 19:56

they have probably been cancelled because numbers ARE low

But are now increasing again, as are hospital and ICU numbers

Scotslassie1 · 11/09/2020 19:58

Eloquent as always Lidl.

The fact that the only public broadcasting service in Scotland is stopping showing the public health up- dates yet Sky will still show them tells you all you need to know.

The updates are a comfort to some I know and also personally,I like to know what's going on.

The fact they've been stopped due to a handful of MPs is just beyond sad.

This is due to the rise in support for independence and nothing else.

Srictlybakeoff · 11/09/2020 20:03

I’m not catastrophing . I really hope numbers stay low. Hospital and icu numbers are increasing, but there will be a lag of 2 or 3 weeks. Hospital admissions now rising in Spain which is ahead of us. I hope we manage to contain it here.
I heard a great example of a way of understanding exponential growth. A pond has lily pads - and the number of lily pads doubles every day. It takes 30 days for the pond to be completely covered. At what point in time is the pond half covered- day 29 .

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Scotslassie1 · 11/09/2020 20:11

Transcript of the FM's Daily Briefing -
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon :
"Good afternoon everyone, thank you for joining us. I am joined here today by the Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Nicola Steedman, who'll say a few words shortly.
I will start with the usual runthrough of the daily statistics. An additional 175 positive cases were confirmed yesterday. That represents 2.7% of people who were newly tested yesterday. The total number of cases is now 22,214.
80 of today's cases are in Greater Glasgow & Clyde, 39 in Lanarkshire, 24 in Lothian, and 12 in Ayrshire & Arran. The remaining 20 cases are spread across another 6 health board areas.
I should flag up that the situation in Lanarkshire is causing some particular concern today.
There will be expert public health discussions over the course of the day, and depending on the judgements and conclusions they arrive at, it may be that some additional restrictions will have to be applied there. We will, however, keep people updated.
I can also confirm that 269 patients are currently in hospital with confirmed Covid. That's 3 more than yesterday. 8 people are in intensive care. That's 1 more than yesterday.
But I'm pleased to say that in the past 24 hours no deaths were registered of patients who had tested positive. The total number of deaths under that measurement therefore remains 2,499.
Of course, that total always reminds us that this virus has had a terrible impact, and I want again to convey my condolences to everybody who has lost someone.
Today, I want to focus on the two key announcements that we made yesterday, just to underline the importance of both.
Firstly, the Protect Scotland app, as you've probably heard, launched yesterday. It is now available for download. More than 600,000 people have already downloaded the app, so if you're one of those, thank you for doing so.
But for the app to be as effective as possible - to help us in the fight against Covid, and also help us live a bit more normally, we need as many people across Scotland to download it and use it
So if you haven't yet done so, you can download it via the Protect.scot website, or you can go to the Apple or Google Play app stores and simply search Protect Scotland and you'll find the app there.
The process for downloading it is really quick and simple. You don't need to provide any personal information. The way the app works is also really simple.
If you test positive for Covid, you'll be given a code by Test & Protect that you will enter into the app. Once you do that, the app automatically identifies any other app users that you've been in close proximity with.
That means anyone you've been within two metres of for more than 15 minutes within a particular timescale.
The app will then immediately alert those people that a contact of theirs has tested positive - though they won't know who that is - and it will provide them with information and links to advice on self-isolating.
Similarly, you will receive an alert if a contact of yours has tested positive, but again, you won't know who they are. Everything about the app is anonymous and confidential.
It doesn't replace the current Test & Protect system - instead it is an enhancement of that. It will be particularly useful for settings like public transport, where we tend to spend time in close proximity to people we don't know.
So we wouldn't be able to give the details of these people to a contact tracer who telephones us.
We also think it will be very valuable as students start to arrive back at college or university.
So if you're a student about to go to college or uni, make sure you download the app, because it will help with you having a bit of normality into how you go about your daily lives.
And if you have relatives that are about to start college or uni make sure you remind them to go on and download it.
One of the crucial things about it is that it helps to reduce the time it takes to notify contacts.
If you think about it, our manual contact tracing system is excellent, it's doing a great job, but by definition the time taken to phone somebody, take the details of them and then contacting those people takes a bit of time.
If you think about it, our manual contact tracing system is excellent, it's doing a great job, but by definition the time taken to phone somebody, take the details of them and then contacting those people takes a bit of time.
By contrast, the app provides contacts with an almost immediate notification, which will then be supplemented by advice, as necessary, from the Test & Protect team.
For all these reasons - and I really want to stress this - this app is a really important way in which all of us can support Test & Protect in the efforts they are making but also a really important way for all of us to keep our communities safe.
In the face of Covid we can all feel a little bit powerless right now. But this is a way of us doing something positive that helps in that collective effort.
Let me just stress, again, because I know there are some people understandably who have some concerns about any technology. This app has been designed with privacy absolutely in mind.
It's anonymous and confidential, as I said a moment ago, it doesn't track your movements, it doesn't know where you are or track your location.
Apart from the most minimal of data it needs to work, it doesn't collect or pass on data. Your data won't be passed to the DWP, or HMRC, or anybody else. Somebody like me can't go and look at anything about you because it doesn't identify you personally at all.
So it's a really good innovation and a good enhancement of this vital Test & Protect system that, as we go into winter, becomes ever-more important.
I'll come back to the simple fact I started with. The sign-up rate we saw yesterday, overnight and into today is excellent - probably beyond our initial expectations.
But we've got to keep that going, we've got to keep the numbers growing, because the more of us who download and use it, the more effective that app will be, and the more effective Test & Protect will be overall in helping us to tackle Covid.
I would encourage you to visit protect.scot, download the app today, and spread the word to all of your family and friends as well.
It's a really simple thing we can do, but it's a really important thing all of us can do as individual citizens to help protect Scotland as a whole.
The second issue I want to highlight are the new rules and guidelines that were announced yesterday.
In particular, I want to emphasise the new rules on social gatherings. Now, you know that since July up to 8 people from 3 households have been able to meet indoors. The limits are a bit higher for outdoor gatherings.
These limits no longer apply - a maximum now of 6 people from a maximum of 2 households will be able to meet together.
Now, I know that is a really tough restriction. That's why I want to assure you that the decision we made on this wasn't taken lightly.
At the moment we believe this is necessary to try to limit and restrict as much as we can the transmission of the virus between different households.
To put it bluntly, this virus wants to find new households to infect. That's pretty much all it cares about, and to survive it has to transmit from person to person, from household to household.
So in order to push it into retreat, as we did over the summer, we have to limit the opportunities for it to spread between households.
Whether this virus thrives or dies is down to the opportunities we give it or deny it. So to reduce transmission and also to simplify the rules, this new limit will apply indoors, in houses, pubs, and restaurants, and also outdoors, including in private gardens.
There are some limited exceptions - for example, for organised sports and places of worship - I also outlined yesterday an exception to allow up to 20 people to attend funeral wakes or wedding and civil partnership receptions.
And any children under 12 who are part of two households meeting up don't count towards the limit of 6 people.
Now, our initial decision, for the reasons I've talked about, trying to limit that spread between households, is that children under 12 do count towards the household number. So children from several different households can't gather together in your home.
I have asked for some additional expert advice to see if, in some circumstances, we could exempt children from the two household rule as well - so, for example, children's birthday parties could go ahead, even on a limited basis, as long as adults complied with the limits.
We intend to clarify this over the next few days, hopefully in the early part of next week.
That indicates that we don't want these rules to be applied any more severely than they have to be, but we have to make sure that they are being applied stringently enough in order to have the desired effect.
That's why some of these decisions are quite difficult and we need to think carefully about them.
The basic rule though, just to remind people, is that in any setting indoors or outdoors for now you should not meet in groups of more than 6 people from a maximum of 2 households.
The regulations that will give legal effect to these measures will come into force on Monday and more detail will be available on our website. But I'd encourage people to start sticking to them now rather than waiting for them to take legal effect on Monday.
And, of course, for now, people living in Glasgow, East or West Dunbartonshire, Renfrewshire and East Renfrewshire, the advice is not to visit other people's households at all.
I know all of this can be really hard to understand. As you might have heard me say in one of the briefings earlier in the week, at an earlier stage of the pandemic, when we were saying to you 'stay at home', that was quite easy for people to understand.
Very hard to abide by, but easy to understand. It's a bit more difficult now, and I really get that. We're trying to simplify the rules as much as possible.
But the point I wanted to just briefly touch on right now is the fact that I know sometimes these rules right now seem to be inconsistent.
One of the young people in my own life messaged me this morning to ask - pretty forcefully - why she can be with her friends at school all day today but she can't be with her friends later on.
To be fair, that's not an unreasonable question. But the basic answer is this. We're having to restrict interactions in the population generally to try to keep the virus at a low enough level to keep schools open.
Because we know being at school is so important for young people educationally and socially.
So what can appear sometimes to be inconsistencies are actually just the essential trade-offs we need to make to avoid going back into lockdown more completely, and to avoid, if at all possible, having to close schools again.
So I know this can be difficult to understand, but I'd seek to give you an assurance that we do think carefully about all of this - and while it can sometimes be difficult to fathom it, there is a rationale behind the decisions that we are taking.
Now, yesterday we also decided to implement two additional measures to reduce the risk of transmission in the hospitality sector. Again, these will take effect legally on Monday but there's no reason why people shouldn't start to abide by these straight away.
Firstly, it will become mandatory for customers in hospitality premises to wear face coverings when they are not eating or drinking - for example when they enter the premises and go to their table, or when they leave the table to go to the bathroom.
Second, it's already recommended in guidance that staff working in hospitality premises wear face coverings, but from Monday, that advice, subject to some exemptions - the same exemptions that apply to face coverings elsewhere - will become law.
The hospitality sector has put an awful lot of effort into making it safe for people to go out and meet up and I'm very grateful to them for that.
These additional protections are all about helping to ensure that the sector can remain open, because that matters for the large numbers of people who work within it - as well as the people who enjoy the services that it provides.
Now, the final point I want to make before handing over to Nicola Steedman is that the changes that were announced yesterday are, I know, really unwelcome.
I didn't want to announce them and I'm sure that none of you wanted to hear them. But in our judgement, imposing more restrictions now on how people meet up is necessary to avoid a stricter lockdown later.
Over the past month and a half, the average number of cases recorded in Scotland each day has been more than trebling every three weeks. That's not sustainable if we are to keep schools and businesses safely open.
So we have to act now in order to try to stem that increase and avoid more restrictive measures becoming necessary later.
The other point I made yesterday that I want to stress today - this is all really frustrating and tiresome for everyone. But on the upside, we are in a stronger position now than we were back in March.
Cases are not rising as quickly, and that is partly because now we have Test & Protect operating and people are much more used to having to do all of the basic things to try to limit the spread of the virus.
So we're in a stronger position, but we must protect the progress we've made and try to stop the virus running out of control again.
Particularly because we've always known, going into winter with colder, damper temperatures and conditions, we are likely to see this virus spread again more quickly.
So please, stick to the new rules of 6 people in 2 households. Don't wait until Monday, do that now. Always remember the other measures that will minimise the risk of you passing the virus on to other people.
The simplest way of trying to remember all of that is FACTS. These are the rules that all of us, if we follow them, will help keep transmission as low as possible.
So face coverings, avoiding crowded places, cleaning hands and hard surfaces, keeping to two-metres distance, and self-isolate and book a test if you have symptoms.
I spoke earlier about downloading the Protect Scotland app, as a really powerful and helpful thing we can do to all help our communities.
It is, and I would encourage you to do that. But so is sticking to these five rules in FACTS. The basic point, that was true back in March, that I think motivated all of us through really dark and difficult times, remains just as true today.
While our experiences are all different - I know that - but fundamentally we are all in this together and fundamentally it is only together that we can save lives and beat this virus.
So, please, continue to play your part by doing all of the things we ask - download the app and comply with the FACTS guidance.
Thank you to everybody for doing that and please continue to spread the word."

Scotslassie1 · 11/09/2020 20:13

That information is not available in a newspaper or on the news.

epcot15 · 11/09/2020 20:35

Why are people panicking about the number of cases when they come from a dodgy unreliable test. As Jason Leitch himself said 'the test is a bit rubbish' there needs to be transparency with the figures, this constant new obsession with the rise in cases just keeps the general public in the grips of fear and that's not good for anyone. We need some perspective, hospital admissions are still very low and people may be in hospital that had tested with covid but not because of it.

epcot15 · 11/09/2020 20:40

This was the webinar he did a few days ago, he explains about the test 24 mins in.

peakotter · 11/09/2020 21:08

The test is not that unreliable. Jason Leitch says he was referring to using it to test the whole community (the moonshot plan) - it would be too rubbish to use for that. But you don’t need 100% reliability to see that cases are rising relatively fast.

We are possibly in the same position now that we were in last February, let’s not repeat the same mistakes again!

@Scotslassie1 that is very helpful thanks. Where can I get the transcript each day? I struggle to listen to the briefing (toddlers talking) but like to know what was said rather than a digest via the news.

Scotslassie1 · 11/09/2020 21:30

Same here re toddlers!

I'm on a FB group called Hands Around Scotland and it's uploaded there. 😉

Srictlybakeoff · 11/09/2020 21:42

That transcript is all about coronavirus. It’s not party political

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Straven123 · 11/09/2020 21:46

Do people have a life ? Think I got bored by wk6, jeesh.

TitianaTitsling · 11/09/2020 22:02

Will they ever make the definition between deaths and admissions WITH covid or solely BECAUSE of covid?

epcot15 · 11/09/2020 22:15

@Srictlybakeoff

That transcript is all about coronavirus. It’s not party political
I never said it was party political.
epcot15 · 11/09/2020 22:19

@TitianaTitsling

Will they ever make the definition between deaths and admissions WITH covid or solely BECAUSE of covid?
I don't think they want the people to know that! Also when they mention the number of deaths it says in small writing *people that died within 28 days of a positive test, does that mean that on day 2 you could test positive then on day 20 you get hit by a bus but your then in with the death figures.
epcot15 · 11/09/2020 22:22

@peakotter

The test is not that unreliable. Jason Leitch says he was referring to using it to test the whole community (the moonshot plan) - it would be too rubbish to use for that. But you don’t need 100% reliability to see that cases are rising relatively fast.

We are possibly in the same position now that we were in last February, let’s not repeat the same mistakes again!

@Scotslassie1 that is very helpful thanks. Where can I get the transcript each day? I struggle to listen to the briefing (toddlers talking) but like to know what was said rather than a digest via the news.

The number of false positives is widely reported on msm, I understand the cases are rising but how many are ill/seriously ill or have been admitted to hospital, I think we need some more information on those statistics.
cocopops · 11/09/2020 22:24

@Scotslassie1

That information is not available in a newspaper or on the news.
Full transcript is available each day on the Scot gov website though.
Scotslassie1 · 11/09/2020 22:32

Exactly Strictly, yet the Labour Lord (I forget his name) and some Tories showboating over twitter that they ' got the daily updates stopped being shown' on the BBC as they were ' party political broadcasts'.

TitianaTitsling · 11/09/2020 22:37

@epcot15 believe so- anecdotally have heard of similar!

frasersmummy · 11/09/2020 22:40

I think now the fear factor might drop a bit . The FM stood at a podium every day saying let me be clear this virus has not gone away and is still very dangerous just ramped up peoples fear levels

She never has anything positive to say eg why not announce the recoveries .. ie today there were 175 infections and 47 recoveries. Net rise in numbers 128 .
no no it was all doom and gloom.

Time to let the fear ease a little bit

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