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School counsellors

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Bejazzled · 08/09/2020 11:27

Long article from the Herald. I know a bit about this from a friend who says that there is not one ‘new qualified counsellor’ trained to work with children and young people - the qualification put in place to retrain adult counsellors hasn’t been used at all. What she is worried about is people who are not correctly trained being given access to children with MH issues and causing more harm than good.

MINISTERS have been told there are “insufficient numbers” of qualified counsellors to cater for Scotland’s schools amid soaring mental health referrals for young people during the lockdown.

MSPs have also been warned that “there must not be any further delays” in implementing the Scottish Government’s commitment for a dedicated counsellor to be in every high school, now set to be rolled out by the end of October.

Statistics released last week revealed that those waiting more than a year for Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services (Camhs) in Scotland has almost doubled during the lockdown – with 1,136 children and young people waiting to start treatment at the end of June, compared to 581 in June 2019.

Less than 60 per cent of young people who start treatment are being seen within 18 weeks against a Scottish Government target of 90%.

The Scottish Government has restated its commitment to have a dedicated counsellor in every high school by the end of next month – a policy that Nicola Sturgeon has stressed “is on track”.

Hannah Brisbane, public affairs assistant for the Scottish Association for Mental Health (SAMH), has stated that the charity welcomed the commitment for qualified counsellors to be accessible to every school – but warned there can be “no further delays” in bringing in the scheme.

She said: “These benefits have never been more important given the severe impact of the coronavirus pandemic on children and young people’s mentalhealth.

“While we understand the disruption caused by the pandemic and the closure of schools, SAMH is clear that there must not be any further delays to the implementation of school-based counselling beyond October 2020.

“Children and young people urgently need access to mental health support, such as school-based counselling. This is underpinned by the latest figures on Camhs referrals, which show there was a 55% drop in referrals in the quarter ending June 2020, suggesting that unmet need for support has been building in the last few months.”

“Similarly, we would like the Scottish Government to clarify whether it has provided direction to local authorities on delivery, and if so, what model of delivery has been implemented.” Children’s mental health charity, Place2Be, has warned that the Covid-19 crisis has illustrated “even further the need for school-based support”, with pupils now back in classrooms full time.

In a submission to Holyrood’s education committee, The Spark, which is the largest provider of schoolbased counselling services in Scotland, has warned that there are simply not enough qualified counsellors for the policy to be rolled out. The organisation said: “Although the circumstances weren’t ideal, the pandemic has shown that school counselling services can be successfully delivered on a digital platform. This might be a good option for schools to continue their counselling delivery during school holidays.

“We believe that there are insufficient numbers of qualified, quality counsellors to deliver the Scottish Government commitment re school counselling. “With our experience over the last few years, we have built a solid reputation and the demand for our services is greater than our availability of counsellors. “At The Spark we believe that counselling taking place in a school environment should be short term, solution focused interventions.”

Ms Sturgeon acknowledged there has been a soaring demand for mental health support during the Covid-19 crisis and pledged that enough counsellors will be available for high schools. She said: “The commitment we have made to put counsellors into secondary schools across the country is on track – it’s due to be completed by the end of October. “There’s an enormous demand for mental health services pre-Covid, there certainty is during and as we continue to go through Covid. “The objectives we had set to transform and reform the shape of Cahms services, particularly to have a much greater service on prevention and early intervention, becomes even more important – and the school counsellors programme is an important part of that.”

Health Secretary Jeane Freeman added: “Clare Haughey, our minister for mental health, has done a great deal of work trying to make sure we can retain some of the areas of very good practice that came forward as a consequence of the early months of the pandemic – that includes the mental health crisis centre that works so effectively in Glasgow and looking to see that spread elsewhere.”

Ms Freeman added that the Scottish Government’s mental health mobilisation plans have a “particular focus on children and young people” and caters for “whatever the level of mental health distress that anyone of us is facing”.

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WeAllHaveWings · 08/09/2020 15:33

It is probably impossible to magic up fully qualified counsellors for children into every single school in Scotland at such short notice to cover the increased demand.

The problem is acknowledged and steps are in place to improve the situation. Possibly they will make the most of the resources they have and use a triage system where qualified counsellors, not necessary qualified for children, refer appropriate children to qualified children's counsellors that cover several schools or alternative support services.

peajotter · 08/09/2020 21:01

I agree with the need for a triage system.

Personally we could do with some help for dc3 (and have a CAMHS referral in the system from pre-Covid) but tbh a listening ear and a helpful advocate would go a long way in the short term. We don’t need urgent resources that are better spent on those who have really struggled during lockdown.

I know a few others in similar situations. If you can take the slow cases out of the system for now, then the properly qualified counsellors can work on the serious cases. Often the parents know which category they are in.

I don’t think it will do more harm than good.

Bejazzled · 08/09/2020 21:35

It’s not short notice to be fair, this commitment was made nearly three years ago so there’s been plenty of time to have the additional training carried out. And it’s not so simple as having an adult counsellor triage - that would be like having a dentist check over your smear results, it’s a very different discipline. I doubt adult counsellors would risk their ethical standards by doing that as well.

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anon444877 · 09/09/2020 07:26

I don’t see why acknowledging the problem gets the Scottish govt off the hook - surely a time for something extra to be considered, under the circumstances. I don’t understand why children (and their parents) with mental health issues are supposed to simply suck up longer waiting times.

MrsAmaretto · 09/09/2020 07:40

To be fair 3 years is short notice for a new qualification and a whole new post/ career. I've got a few friends who were interested in doing this job. Mostly teachers who want to move into educational psychology but can't afford to anymore as there is no longer bursaries. None have decided to do it incase it's a "government whim and they are unclear on the longer term career prospects.

It's all very well announcing a brand new role, but if people need to retrain to take it then there's a lot of personal and financial stuff that you need to weigh up.

anon444877 · 09/09/2020 08:06

Of course you could provide parents/drs a grant to access mh care from wherever they could get it, and presumably school counsellors would then have some reassurance they could cross over into charity groups or private of school roles became thinner on the ground.

We need some bigger thinking on the mh crisis in children.

SockYarn · 09/09/2020 10:08

We need some bigger thinking on the mh crisis in children.

Totally agree. The guidance teachers at my children's school are well-meaning but unqualified. History teachers who do everything from helping through their subject choices and UCAS applications to dealing with bullying and friendship fall outs. They are not equipped to deal with the more serious stuff and can just direct families to help. Which they then don't get. And the concept of the "school nurse" is a thing of the past.

Besides, the NHS and Scot Gov is utterly focused on Covid. Mental health isn't a priority.

Bejazzled · 09/09/2020 19:01

@MrsAmaretto

To be fair 3 years is short notice for a new qualification and a whole new post/ career. I've got a few friends who were interested in doing this job. Mostly teachers who want to move into educational psychology but can't afford to anymore as there is no longer bursaries. None have decided to do it incase it's a "government whim and they are unclear on the longer term career prospects.

It's all very well announcing a brand new role, but if people need to retrain to take it then there's a lot of personal and financial stuff that you need to weigh up.

It isn’t a whole new qualification, it’s a top up for current adult counsellors that can be done whilst still working.

Changing a full career as you say is a whole different ball game though.

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Jellycatspyjamas · 09/09/2020 21:36

In fairness working with children is a whole different ball game to counselling adults. Many counsellors don’t want to work with children, and many want to work with kids but don’t want to work in schools.

Add in the fact that a counsellors salary is in no way comparable to that of a teacher, is usually one day a week so a different school every day it’s really not that appealing in terms of a career change.

MeridaTheBold · 12/09/2020 23:32

Are school nurses a thing of the past? I know English schools don't have them but all of our schools have had them.

If there aren't enough counsellors, then what do you suggest OP ? There is definitely a shortage but it seems to be an area where experienced counsellors for young people prefer working in private practice. And even if they all worked on contract to the education system, there aren't enough of them.
I'd be interested to know how they are quantifying the MH effects of lockdown. Our DC had 2 self-grading questionnaires but they don't seem to have been standardised across all schools.

anon444877 · 13/09/2020 10:37

Aside from anything else, the current CAMHS wait lists should be sufficient evidence there is a large problem.

I don’t understand the backwards logic of saying we can’t have people working on contract from charities/private sector for kids because there still wouldn’t be enough, you exhaust all the available provision that can be accessed and then it comes more appealing for more people to risk retraining.

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