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How to get DD (suspected autistic traits) into the secondary school we think will be best for her?

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blueberryporridge · 04/02/2019 09:42

Have also posted this on the Special Needs board but posting here too because we are in Scotland and I'm wondering if anyone on this board can help.

Sorry for this lengthy post but I am really struggling to know what to do to help DD (12) and am worried that things are going to go very wrong for her if she goes to our local secondary school.

DD is currently awaiting a neuro-developmental assessment but waiting list is "lengthy". A psychologist we saw privately after she started experiencing a lot of problems coping at school thinks she is showing autistic traits and recommended that we ask for the neuro-developmental assessment.

We are in Scotland and she is currently in P7. Problems started showing at school in P5 and became very bad in P6 - although she is generally OK at home and in after-school activities, at school she started becoming very distressed, hearing voices (which told her to harm herself and others, although she has never done this with exception of scratching her arms when she is distressed "to take her attention off the voices), was very stressed about going to school and taking ages to recover every afternoon after school, and had problems sleeping. She had problems making friends and felt that her classmates thought she was "weird". She also had very low self-esteem. There were problems of her being bullied in school, with the bullies also causing problems outside school for her. She is also very sensitive to noise, and got upset when there was poor behaviour by others in the class. Academically, however, she has always done well.

Primary school 1 organised a Child's Plan but this was very vague and not implemented. As situation was rapidly becoming worse (leading to more distress, having to sit outside class and/or having to come home because of levels of distress), we took things into our own hands and were able to get her transferred to a much smaller, quieter school (primary school 2) in our area where she has flourished academically and socially. The problems she experienced in primary school 1 have pretty much vanished, and she is now a happy child who enjoys school and is getting on really well.

Unfortunately, we now have to contend with her move to secondary school, and we believe very strongly that our local catchment secondary is not going to be suitable - we have been to see it and know that there are problems with poor behaviour both within school and on the way there/back home. In addition, she will be back with the children whom she had social problems with before in her former primary school, and the bullies who caused problems at school no 1 are either now attending this local secondary or about to transfer there.

The local secondary school is also noisy, with cramped corridors and narrow stairs to contend with when changing classes, all of which I think she will find difficult to deal with. It is well-known as a place with lots of behavioural problems (academic achievement is also very low). When I raised concerns with a senior member of teaching staff there, his proposal to deal with any problems she may have with noise/poor behaviour by other children was to send her to a different classroom "where the special needs children go" whenever she wasn't coping. I do not feel this is a suitable arrangement because she will be missing out on teaching and classwork, and I don't want her to reach the situation in the first place where she needs to be treated differently from the rest of the class, as, with the right environment, we have shown that she does really well without special arrangements. The answer to noise when changing classes was for her to leave each class 5 minutes early - again, I want to avoid her having to miss 5 mins of every 40 min class, especially at the end of class when instructions about homework/next day's class will be given out. I feel that our experience with primary school 2 shows that she can cope really well in a calm, well-ordered school environment but that our local secondary school will not be able to provide that.

We visited two other secondary schools locally last term - both of which we thought would be fine for her, although one appeared even better than the other. We requested last term that she be placed in one of these which we felt would be ideal for her in terms of environment and the supportive ethos of the staff we spoke to. The education authority have, however, rejected our request without giving any reasons. We have been told that we need to make an out of catchment request but that it is unlikely to be successful. Our first choice secondary has since been capped which I think means that our chances of her getting in there are zero. Our second choice has not been capped so there is still a chance she could be accepted there. However, we will not get a decision on an out of catchment request until the end of April, and the authority will not allow her to attend any transition activities at an out of catchment school in the meantime, saying that she can only attend the transition events at our local secondary. Her child's plan states explicitly that she requires an extended transition to prepare for secondary - this is not happening even re our local secondary.

We seem to be stuck in no-man's land. We don't have a formal diagnosis of autism. GP tried to refer her to CAHMS for her distress but CAHMS declined to see her and referred us back to the primary mental health team (whom we saw while she was at primary school 1 but who have been pretty useless). She doesn't have learning difficulties (although her learning was clearly being severely affected when the school environment wasn't right for her).

Do we just have to apply for an out-of-catchment request and hope for the answer we want in April, accepting that, if she does get in there, she will have missed out on the transition arrangements she needs, or is there another route we can try to try to get things sorted out more quickly?

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TinTinBanana · 04/02/2019 10:10

Hi, glad you have also posted on Scotsnet. Hopefully you will get some reassuring advice on here. If your placing request is accepted in April there is still the for attending some of the extended transition days. At my ds' catchment school the extended transition is an extra three visits at the end of p7.

What does capped mean? I have never heard of a school being capped.

My ds is attending his first transition event soon at our catchment school. He is in P6 at an out of catchment primary school. I find his primary school very supportive with the transition. Is the primary school giving you any advice/support about the best way to proceed?

SteamPudding · 04/02/2019 11:50

If the school is out of catchment, you will have to put in a placing request. I don't think there is any way round that and certainly in our area the education authorities don't make decisions on placing requests until April. Hopefully there would still be time for extra transition visits if your placing request is successful.

I would try and include as much supporting evidence in your statement as possible, explaining your reasons for wishing to request an alternative school, that your daughter has ASD traits and why you feel your chosen school would be more suitable for her needs. I would also be emphasising the bullying/social issues. We've been down the placing request road before and certainly in our area you could only request one school at a time so maybe it's better to make your application for the one with less pressure on places.

Our son has ASD and is now at a high school which has an excellent reputation academically and I thought it would be a calm, well ordered environment though I'm amazed at how rough it can be and how much disruption there is in classes even there. I've come to the conclusion that the schools are all much the same and there isn't a perfect environment for ASD kids, it's about giving them the support and options to help them cope in a busy high school. The most important thing is the attitude of the staff and how flexible they can be. It's worth trying to meet with the pupil support staff in the high schools you're considering to see what sort of help they can offer your daughter.

I wouldn't be concerned about missing the last 5 minutes of class, if that is a solution to avoiding noisy corridors and I would definitely agree to having an alternative classroom/study area to go to if class becomes overwhelming. I think there are quite a lot of kids in the same boat, working outside of class and in pupil support areas and they don't necessarily have learning difficulties either.

What does your daughter's primary school say about it all? Is there someone who can advocate for you, back you up in your choice of school? Can you have another go at CAMHS? It sounds like it was some time ago that she was last referred. We were bounced back by CAMHS too but were eventually seen.

blueberryporridge · 04/02/2019 12:02

Thanks, Steampudding. The headteacher at her current primary has been very supportive and seems frustrated that our request was knocked back. The local authority has so far not responded to our letter asking for reasons and details of what happens next despite me hand-delivering a letter to them four weeks ago and chasing up by phone and email since.

The request by our GP for the referral to CAHMS was just in December; CAHMS have passed us back to the primary mental health team (who were pretty useless last time and didn't even want to see her).

I think we are going to try for the secondary with less pressure on places. The capped one would have been better for a number of reasons but even the second choice would be better than our local one, and it has the specialist unit for autism support for our town.

Thanks again.

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blueberryporridge · 04/02/2019 12:05

Hi Tintin

"Capped" means that they are at capacity with pupils living in their catchment area and therefore not accepting out-of-catchment requests.

Hope your DS gets on well at his transition event.

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anniehm · 04/02/2019 12:27

We had a formal diagnosis at 3 so slightly different and we did get an out of area place (England though) in a smaller school but she still had the leave the classroom 5 mins early system and somewhere to go at lunchtime, break and if she couldn't cope in school. Due to the building design they couldn't take any children with physical disabilities so took more of those with behavioural problems and asd, since they have become a regional centre of excellence for autism. Alas that school finished at 14 and it all went wrong!

TinTinBanana · 04/02/2019 12:45

Thank you blueberry for explaining capped to me. I hope your placing request is successful. I might be doing the same thing in a year's time. It must be very stressful for you. April seems to long away to wait for an answer.

WaxOnFeckOff · 04/02/2019 16:22

We had similar issues with DS1. We were told that if we had him assessed he would be borderline so we didn't go down that route though in retrospect i think we maybe should have. We also had bullying issues etc and he was supposed to get an enhanced transition. We felt that he wouldn't cope with the higher levels of disruption at the catchment High school and also that he would start off already a target.

We applied for and received a space in the out of catchment school we felt was most suitable so were lucky that way. There was only one extra "enhanced session" for the transition still available once he was allocated his space and that was effectively meeting with other DC also on enhanced transition and getting a tour of the school. However, (despite other issues which I wont go into) the transition went fine and we had no bullying issues and he did well academically. He still has social anxiety and is far too quiet, but he's at Uni (living at home) and is doing fine. get your application in and see what appens. I think that a place in the quieter school without enhanced transition is probably better than a place at catchment with the transition. As long as the events don't clash then I'd get her to go to as many in both schools as she is able to and try to promote both schools to her with their different advantages (might be a hard sell though!) so that she is able to cope with the result of the request if it doesn't initially go her way.

Sarahandduck18 · 04/02/2019 23:28

Can you move to the catchment?

blueberryporridge · 05/02/2019 11:46

Sarahandduck That it one of the options we are actively considering but for various reasons moving house is not a great idea for us just now. Definitely not ruling it out, however, and may have to bite the bullet soon.

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LeonoraFlorence · 18/02/2019 02:06

Can you get a diagnosis privately?

Smil3r · 06/03/2019 06:37

I don't know which area of Scotland you live in, but Dunedin school in Edinburgh sounds ideal for your child. It is an independent school but most of the pupils are sent by their local authorities Edinburgh and the Lothians) when all attempts at mainstream education have failed. It's worth bearing in mind if your daughter's situation is not resolved, in which case speak to your ed psych. You should Google Dunedin school to find their website.

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