Explain this "power grab" thing to me - don't get the logic!

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-43343716

So it's been announced that after Brexit the UK government plans to take control of things like food labelling, animal health and rules about chemicals for the whole of the UK while we pick our way through the Brexit mess. These are issues which are currently decided in Brussels for the EU as a whole.

Scottish government kicking off about a "power grab". They think that Scotland should have total control over everything. Hardly surprising standpoint as their aim is independence and a break from the rest of the UK.

So here to me is the total logic fail - it's perfectly OK for the EU to decide what Scotland puts on its food labels with very little consultation with the Scottish people or Scottish government as we have 6 MEPs out of 750. But it's most definitely NOT OK to allow the Uk government to do the same job, even though Scotland has a lot more influence and the UK government have already said that some of these new "powers" would be devolved at some point in the future?

There is no logic - snp scaremongering and seeking to divide. Almost all powers coming back from eu will go to devolved governments. Some where it makes sense for their to be uk wide regulations will go to westminster but will operate exactly as they do now until agreement can be reached with devolved governments. Power grab is just more lies from snp

"Almost all powers coming back from eu will go to devolved governments. Some where it makes sense for their to be uk wide regulations will go to westminster but will operate exactly as they do now until agreement can be reached with devolved governments."

Where it makes sense for there to be UK wide regulations Westminster should discuss and agree those regulations with the devolved parliaments, where the issues relate to devolved matters. The Scottish government has stated that they would not unreasonably withhold agreement. But Westminster refuses to discuss and agree these matters and instead seeks to impose regulations without agreement being sought. This is a power grab. This is blatantly refusing to work with the devolved governments. No scaremongering about it, simply facts.

Westminstet is NOT seeking to impose anything. Those powers it will retain immediately will operate exactly as they down now under EU - changes will only be introduced AFTER agreements with devolved parliaments/assemblies has been reached so no power grab

Those powers it will retain immediately will operate exactly as they down now under EU - changes will only be introduced AFTER agreements with devolved parliaments/assemblies has been reached so no power grab

So why not return them to Scotland?

Because even the smp agree that it makes sense for some of these powers/ regulations to operate the same across the uk. It diesn’t make sense, given the cross uk nation trade, to have different regulations on some issues. So they will operate across the 4 nations as they do now and only change when all 4 nations agree a change make sense. Put snp want to cause mischief with their lies

Because even the smp agree that it makes sense for some of these powers/ regulations to operate the same across the uk

But these are powers that are currently devolved to Wales / Scotland. Why as with other devolved matters that require cross border cooperation can the WM government not negotiate with ScotGov to reach an agreement that works for all - ScotGov has said they are happy to do this.

The consequences of Westminster riding roughage over devolution could result in the break up of the UK.

"changes will only be introduced AFTER agreements with devolved parliaments/assemblies has been reached"

See, this simply isn't true. In fact it is the whole problem. The majority of Scottish MSPs - not just the SNP (also the Welsh - want their agreement to be required for any proposed changes. Westminster are refusing to amend the bill to provide for that. They say that they will'consult' the devolved parliaments but that they won't require actual agreement before making changes that THEY deem necessary.

Do you agree that's correct?

"So they will operate across the 4 nations as they do now and only change when all 4 nations agree a change make sense."

Lol. That would be good but it's not how the UK government works.

The powers that the uk govt want to keep in the mean time are NOT devolved - they are eu regulations that operate across the 4 nations in uk and the other 27 in eu. This issue is just snp at it as usual

The powers that the uk govt want to keep in the mean time are NOT devolved - they are eu regulations that operate across the 4 nations in uk and the other 27 in eu

They are things that were previously covered by EU regulations that lie within areas that are devolved to be precise.

Can’t be arsed with this anymore you and snp wrong I am right - goodnight

It is ridiculous. The powers should go to Westminster and then get devolved back to Scotland after a proper discussion about whether they should be reserved.

But because this is all going at breakneck speed there will literally not be the lawyers to negotiate this, or the appropriate amount of parliamentary time to discuss it. Hence it has to go to Westminister - it is the only practical solution.

The powers should go to Westminster and then get devolved back to Scotland after a proper discussion about whether they should be reserved.

The powers under discussion all pertain to areas that are already reserved.

Can’t be arsed with this anymore you and snp wrong

And the Welsh government too?

And, a month later, we're all off to the Supreme Court.