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Anyone ever fattened up a pig?

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Teapot74 · 03/03/2015 15:08

Would love to know if it's worthwhile. Tried elsewhere but no response so wondered if I'd find anyone here who has had a go at pigs? Has anyone tried it? We're at the very early stages of considering it. Have ordered a book, looks straightforward enough????? Someone must have had a go….?

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CMOTDibbler · 03/03/2015 15:13

My parents used to do this a lot - every year we'd raise lambs, calves and pigs on the spare goats milk.

They are very strong and like to rootle, but were lovely to have around.

The only issue is in having access to an abbatoir that will take single beasts

itsbetterthanabox · 03/03/2015 15:17
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victoryinthekitchen · 05/03/2015 20:07

watching with interest as may be getting a piglet, not sure though, we have the room but may find it hard to let the little thing go when the time comes...

BernardlookImaprostituterobotf · 05/03/2015 21:48

It's not really a case of difficulty but intent. For many business minded small holders the difficulty is in balancing the books, which might be for profit (Ahahaha) or needing a self supporting herd/stock and getting this to align with their personal welfare ethics.
If you want good quality, high welfare meat simply for your family consumption (and money is relatively no object) then the things to consider are:
Your admin (CPN, latest guidelines etc)
Land/housing (pigs are clever, big and laugh in the face of wimpy fencing if something good is on the other side or they want a scratch, they also need at least minimum requirements of wallo/shade/forage etc )
Breed - what is your end goal? Porker, baconer, cutter?
Number - pigs should not be kept alone.
The closest abbatoir that will slaughter small numbers - many that do offer a butchery service but if they don't you'll get a whole carcass. If it is for you ONLY you can do this yourself but it is a skill and requires tools, hygienic space and storage...lots of storage.
Vet - there's vaccs, worming and strict biosecurity measures for pigs. Is there a large animal vet/practice locally.
Miscellany - pig boards, consumables, tags.
Feed - with good feed storage to prevent contamination and vermin.
Care - do you go on holiday? Weekends away?
Type - gilt or hog etc.
Transportation - unless you already have a trailer.
Water supply - handy.
Time - checks, feeding, cleaning, routine and emergency care, land management, maintenance.
It can be quite a lot of set up but if you think you can send them to slaughter/keep them for their natural life then I would recommend it.

The books probably go into good detail here but it's always easier with money the pig doesn't have to make back.
Doing it at all is a piece of cake, doing it well takes thought and care. And money - did I mention that Grin
Sorry if that's not what you're looking for, but like many things it depends on your situation (not that I'm expecting you to be posting from a flat in Knightsbridge, but Ykwim). Where else have you looked? There are small holder forums that are really helpful and quite busy.

OVienna · 06/03/2015 22:46

Bernard you sound incredibly well informed. Can you send us towards those forums you mention for smallholders?

BernardlookImaprostituterobotf · 07/03/2015 11:31

I'm not sure if MNHQ will mind - although I don't think it would count as trying to divert members. I didn't put them up before as wasn't sure if it was ok but HQ can delete me if I singlehandedly siphon off the membership with pictures of lambs! Accidental smallholder
Smallholders online
Farming forum
Accidental smallholder is very friendly and helpful but won't let a foolish plan go unchallenged. Very focused on good husbandry. I'd prob start there.
Farming forum, knowledgeable but it is farming (d'oh ) focused not smallholding but can be very useful to keep abreast of things and get advice etc but land management, livestock and guidance chat are all from a different pov to smallholding and finding one's feet elsewhere and getting a grip on the terminology might help. Still v useful resource.

Members of any will always try to help with an urgent query but replies often take a while as people don't get on till later. Other forums are available.

OVienna · 07/03/2015 21:08

Thanks so much. Are you minded to share your personal experience with this???

BernardlookImaprostituterobotf · 08/03/2015 00:31

Sorry, wasn't at all meaning to be sphinx like. My routine is probably a bit different because of my situation and the wrinkles you come up against tend to vary depending on that. Obviously.

I'm up at 4 to get everyone fed and out/in/milked sometimes the pigs are up, sometimes not!
Where you keep them should be easily accessible and close preferably (if renting a field) as you need contact to keep pigs sociable. An unhandled pig got onto transport and sent anywhere is an unhappy pig. Not to mention creating a real pain in the...well, anywhere they can reach when you need to treat them. You really, really don't want to get bitten. Especially not if they mean it.
In the morning I feed, chat, fresh water & check the wallow. A quick eye over housing and fencing.
I check water 3 times a day, more in hot weather.
Lunch they get water check/top up, a bit of veg and a check over - twice a day feeding is fine but you need to do at least one of your checks in daylight if you don't have lamps/floodlights (it's a good idea even if you do) so any sign of problems is noticed quickly and dealt with. Particularly scour if you don't know the provenance or the sow isn't vaccinated, scour can kill. Also you need to be able to get close enough to check for sign of parasites or Erisypelas (another reason to be red hot on pest control and good hygiene) before it gets so bad you can see it from the gate.
Also so you know your pigs, they can bully, they can feed hog, they can develop the same changes due to illness as domestic pets. You need to commit enough time to get a feel for them and their normal, as long as you do it doesn't really matter how you configure it, that just works for me.

What I like, and it is completely personal preference, is a mix of Kune Kune, nice to own and smaller so a manageable amount of meat for the average family but easily run to fat and larger rarebreeds - I like British Lops, but rare indeed as not so popular, lovely meat, docile, less likely to trash the place rooting. Good orchard pigs. Middle whites and Tamworths - they're hardy, good doers and good mothers (a good mother is the best start for a good pig). Lovely meat and most importantly generally happy, docile beasts that can't wait for their Apple, a good scratch and get on well. Tamworths are fast though! Regular sprinters. Ime, ymmv! Welsh's are popular, good feed converter and will put more weight on quickly for less feed than slower growing breeds. They're alright. Never met one I didn't like but they're not my bag. Size and space are key decision makers here. Anything up to a medium tree will fall to a determined pig.

Spring weaners can be tricky to get hold of. Bearing in mind when you get them it'll be roughly 3-4 months to weight - again depends, porkers or baconers? If you keep both together you'll have porkers at weight first, then baconers later. So that's 4 pigs really as you don't want one suddenly alone. I came a cropper my first year when I drastically underestimated the actual size 120kg of meat was in the flesh, so to speak (roughly halve your weight to get uasable meat: 80kg slaughter weight, 60kg dead weight ~40-45kg meat products). It's also quite a quick turnaround, I love my pigs and it made me deeply think about everything I was doing in a way I hadn't been able to before when I didn't really know what a pig was in all their characterful glory, was it the best? Had I found the best abattoir? And ime you find out very quickly how strongly held your convictions are, even though it's not long you should develop quite a relationship with each individual. What others do is up to them but I said If I wasn't happy they would have a calm, pain free slaughter then that was it and I would become vegetarian. The main difficulty with finding a good one is what narrows your options - small number slaughter, distance (transporting has legislative restrictions even if the stress didn't put you off), price. I was sad when they went. I'm still sad, for every one, because that's an extension for me of caring for them. It isn't everybody's way and that's fine. I know they have had a wonderful life and the best end, comparable to a veterinary euthanasia. Also you have to have any deceased animals taken by an approved knackerman (your LA vet should be able to help with this), it's unlikely with such small numbers but sometimes the unexpected happens. Also I made provision for quarantine - you never know, unvaccinated animals, newcomers or an illness in one pig, all need quarantine.
They can be mardy, they get hormonal, they have personality and they do need input.

Fucking fencing...ugh. If it's not down, it's broken, if it's not broken it needs a new bloody battery if it's not that it's the hedges or posts or something. I do not do fencing. Hate it with a passion. I'm reliably informed it's not as bad as I make it out to be though! So I'll leave that!

Land management and general husbandry - if you've kept horses then you're already doing a lot of the observation. Poisonous plants, drainage and shelter, ahem, fencing. I found it really useful to go on a smallholding course, I was confident about my keeping skills but it really helped with working out land allocation, strip grazing, rotation and actually growing crops (which I wasn't that interested in at first) as part of a little self sustaining system. It's surprising what little nuggets you'll find invaluable. For example I didn't know it is illegal to feed catering waste to pigs, domestic or commercial, due to the spread of disease - that image of the swill bucket in the kitchen gratefully recieved by the hogs? Nope.

Guests - mine now know the routine, footbaths as standard, don't wear your fancy shoes here. No visits if you have been anywhere with other livestock (Ag show, petting farm etc) and No feeding lunch scraps to the pigs. You'll probably get looks but chum up to someone who looks likely to look after them or you'll never go away to anything! It doesn't matter if it's 'land' or a big back garden, blanket regulation.
Oh, and delivery/unexpected vehicles, not down my drive - can't disinfect them all properly.

Toys! Get toys, lots! They love them as dogs do. They're wonderful to watch and it makes them happy! But is really important if you are light on forage - they're made to forage and root, it's what they do, and its a huge part of their mental health requirement to meet this need. If you have a bad day then filling a treat ball with their favourites and chucking it in is great stress relief - a happy pig is a joyous thing. I love it.

I smell of pigs. Ok, actually I smell of pig shit. It clings rather. Where are you going to put that poo? You'll get a lot. I realised fairly quickly I'd sited the heap too far away. Your clothes, boots, trailer, everything will eventually smell of pig. Oh and possibly your guests. Have room outside the house to get undressed or your house will as well.

Be friendly - it's surprising how many people forget this. The best thing I've done is be relentlessly friendly to EHA, AHO, Council employees, Breed secs etc they can help you out massively. I feed my vet (ex vet nurse so a bit biased).
On the other hand - perfect the glare, if your pigs are accessible to the public, get signs. For everything. Think of the most stupid thing anyone could do then get a sign for it. Realise you didn't think of the most stupid thing when it happens, then get another sign.

Try them out. A course is good for this even if you think you can't possibly learn anything else. Pigs are individual, unpredictable, wonderful, bolshy gits. They can be affectionate and they can be a little scary and hard to handle. Initial set up can be expensive and the quantity, if not the heavy lifting, of the work involved is easily whiled away if you chat to them but if you don't like them (not everyone is a dog/cat person, not everyone is a pig person) or aren't confident you can deal with a hormonal charger safely then it can quickly cause resentment. Because you still have to do it. Or you find you've invested a lot and don't want to do it again - not a good place to be.

My personal experience is overwhelmingly positive. But it is relentless. Paper work must be done 1 pig or 100. Get organized fast or you quickly find yourself weeping over a medicine book. Illness, bad weather, money problems, any problems, emergencies - you still have to be there or find someone who can be. It can be cold and back breaking work, it can be expensive and it can be crushingly disappointing. But when you get to say goodnight and scratch a belly and have a little chat it really is worth it. Pigs are worth it, they're brilliant. They might even forgive you for worming them Grin

OVienna · 08/03/2015 13:07

Thank you so much for your message! I want you to do a blog we can follow! Do you have one?

I hadn't thought about the no visitors if they've been near a farm. How the heck does this work with farming neighbours? Also delivery trucks. Presumably you do need heavy stuff delivered to the site?

I did a course near Bristol which covered the full range of small holding animals apart from goats.

Are pigs the only livestock you have?

Teapot74 · 09/03/2015 16:30

Thanks Bernard. All good inf. and you sound v experienced. Think we have all we need to get going, out house came with stabling that we don't use, well fenced and has a point for electric fencing so am in the fortunate position of not having too much outlay before starting. Found the other forum which has been useful.

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BernardlookImaprostituterobotf · 12/03/2015 22:04

OVienna - lol, no blog - most days I'm struggling to find time to write a shopping list! Farming neighbours - chances are you have the same risks in the same area so it's not the same as a place where animals have come from all over the country. Clean clothes/overalls and footbaths are fine. Obviously anyone who has anything in quarantine would probably tell you before heading over and wouldn't then head straight for your beasts. Depends on your set up really - the front of my place isn't really able to be gated off and counts as thoroughfare so anything that enters is straight through to the animals. If you have a separate area at the house it's different.
Delivery vans with heavy stuff to unload or that are expected are sprayed in the same way you would clean your own trailer from a trip. Unexpected vans/cars up and down the drive when I might not be in & so can't be sprayed aren't encouraged as I'll clean down the whole front when they leave (because I have no idea where they might have been). I don't fancy that often so just lock the gate, there's safe parking outside.
At the moment we have pigs, goats, sheep 4 cows, chickens, ducks and geese - I'm in my cheese phase currently. I'm having cheddar patience issues. At least charcuterie gives you some hints it's going in the right direction. Cheese is a milky enigma and I have no idea how well it's gone yet.

Teapot - all good, have you decided what you're going for? If you don't get back then good luck with it all.

mazylou · 12/03/2015 22:15

Friends of mine have a smallholding in Ireland, and I've sent them a link. I got to name their first pigs, who were delicious.

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