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Howardian Hills versus Northumberland

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PoodlenotDoodle · 07/09/2025 19:23

Where would you retire to for a lifestyle that has pretty villages, beautiful vistas, great dog walks, low humidity, don't mind cold but hate rain? Budget £1.5m to £2m for country house without neighbours but within drive to a good sized village or town with doctors, supermarkets etc.. Needs to be within say 2hrs - 3hrs train to London for children visiting... We dont know North Yorkshire or Northumberland at all but it has been mentioned to us as good options.

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nhsmanagersanonymous · 07/09/2025 19:27

Moving to a house without neighbours where you have to drive is madness for retirement.
With that budget you could get a very nice property in York or Malton and future proof yourself.

nhsmanagersanonymous · 07/09/2025 19:32

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/166139300#/?channel=RES_BUY something like this thought tbh i think it’s too big. It’s near the university so you could walk to concerts etc. it’s on fab bus routes and has services like doctors. And it’s easy to get to coast, hills and so on whilst you are able

Check out this 5 bedroom detached house for sale on Rightmove

5 bedroom detached house for sale in Bridge Garth, Heslington, York, YO10 for £1,000,000. Marketed by Stephensons, York

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/166139300#/?channel=RES_BUY

PoodlenotDoodle · 07/09/2025 20:32

PoodlenotDoodle · 07/09/2025 19:23

Where would you retire to for a lifestyle that has pretty villages, beautiful vistas, great dog walks, low humidity, don't mind cold but hate rain? Budget £1.5m to £2m for country house without neighbours but within drive to a good sized village or town with doctors, supermarkets etc.. Needs to be within say 2hrs - 3hrs train to London for children visiting... We dont know North Yorkshire or Northumberland at all but it has been mentioned to us as good options.

We actually want our own land and no neighbours - we are happy to meet people in the local community and at clubs etc but we dont want worry about issues like Airbnbs on our doorstep in our retirement. We love dog walking, countryside and nature but theatre etc is not really something we are looking for. So is it North Yorkshore or Northumberland or somewhere else? We want a dry climate, low in humidity.

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Somnambule · 07/09/2025 20:36

I think if you really want a dry climate then you're in the wrong country - both those counties get plenty of rain! But Northumberland is marginally drier and much emptier.

childofthe607080s · 07/09/2025 20:37

The fastest trains from Newcastle to London take over 3 hrs from memory. Most are longer

Northumberland is the next county north /north west from there so you can’t do Northumberland to London in “say 2 to 3 hrs “ unless you mean 2 to 3 hrs from the mainline ?

PoodlenotDoodle · 07/09/2025 20:45

childofthe607080s · 07/09/2025 20:37

The fastest trains from Newcastle to London take over 3 hrs from memory. Most are longer

Northumberland is the next county north /north west from there so you can’t do Northumberland to London in “say 2 to 3 hrs “ unless you mean 2 to 3 hrs from the mainline ?

Yes I think you are right re trains - North Yorkshire is a better bet in that regard. We know that east of the Pennines is generally drier than west of the Pennines. South West England is lovely (Cotswolds, Somerset and Cornwall etc) but wetter and definitely more expensive. We are keen to focus on AONB (Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty) - any other ideas for us to consider would be most appreciated. We are early in the process of looking at retirement options and keeping all ideas on the table!

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PoodlenotDoodle · 07/09/2025 20:46

Somnambule · 07/09/2025 20:36

I think if you really want a dry climate then you're in the wrong country - both those counties get plenty of rain! But Northumberland is marginally drier and much emptier.

Sadly with Brexit we dont have so many options!

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Pringlebeak · 07/09/2025 20:50

North Yorkshire is wonderful but if you're looking for dry weather you won't get it here.

childofthe607080s · 07/09/2025 20:50

The driest counties would likely be Norfolk and Suffolk - the Norfolk broads are nice, the Norfolk coast and much of the Suffolk coast is AONB

PoodlenotDoodle · 07/09/2025 20:54

childofthe607080s · 07/09/2025 20:50

The driest counties would likely be Norfolk and Suffolk - the Norfolk broads are nice, the Norfolk coast and much of the Suffolk coast is AONB

which are the best villages in Norfolk within AONB? Suffolk is a bit close to London for our liking - we want to be a bit further out

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PoodlenotDoodle · 07/09/2025 21:21

PoodlenotDoodle · 07/09/2025 20:54

which are the best villages in Norfolk within AONB? Suffolk is a bit close to London for our liking - we want to be a bit further out

and isnt Norfolk and suffolk very flat?? I do love rolling hills and vistas and I am not sure you ge those in Norfolk/Suffolk or Cambridgeshire areas but please correct me if I am wrong!

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childofthe607080s · 07/09/2025 21:22

Well yes but hills go hand in hand with more wetness !

DisforDarkChocolate · 07/09/2025 21:33

Hexham in Northumberland is fantastic to retire too. It's beautiful and there is a very active retirement community. It's not 2-3 hours to London though.

Have you considered some of the nice villages near Darlington or Thirsk?

EwwSprouts · 07/09/2025 21:39

Following on from PP this is between York and Thirsk and outside the village. Look at the view on photo 3!
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/161981411#/media?activePlan=1&id=media0&channel=RES_BUY
Definitely no rolling hills and vistas in Norfolk. Holidayed there last year and does not compare to Northumberland, which that does have harsher winters than N Yorks.

QueenJulianna · 07/09/2025 21:45

The Met Office have a rainfall map which might help you in your search

Howardian Hills versus Northumberland
BoschMkII · 07/09/2025 21:49

I’d search near Ampleforth. You can be in London in three hours even if you drive to York. Beautiful countryside, not too wet compared to the Dales.

TerminalMoraine · 07/09/2025 22:15

@PoodlenotDoodleNot all of Norfolk is flat, you are thinking of the Fens on the western/SW side of Norfolk. There are more hilly areas in NW and mid Norfolk.

thatoldchestnut · 07/09/2025 22:22

Rutland around Uppingham? Not AONB -but pretty enough to be. The villages around Stamford are worth looking at to see if the countryside suits , but anywhere less rainy in the East it is a bit flatter.
North Norfolk is the driest county I have lived in and is great for dog walks (look at Holkham beach to get an idea). It has picture postcard villages by the coast, but definitely flat.

The areas you are looking at have more rain. Northumberland around Hexham (or Corbridge) is lovely though -with a good community . You could widen the area to around Blanchland then take the Durham train to London.
North Yorkshire and Northumberland are very different to the South West. If you live rurally you need to be able to be self sufficient for a few days if snowed in.

Whenautumnleavesstarttofall · 07/09/2025 22:46

I live in one of those locations (Howardian Hills and Northumberland) and constantly hanker for the other.

I know both very well, having moved north from Suffolk (commuting into London) and holidaying in the other for the last 20 years.

The Howardian Hills have the benefit of being within 30-40 mins travelling distance of York and 1hr 15mins to Harrogate. I know you have said you are looking for remote but York is a wonderful city and there is nothing more atmospheric that an evening concert at York Minster along with a meal in one of the amazing restaurants that pepper the city streets.

The Moors and coast are also relatively close (although I am not that fond of the Yorkshire coastline). The area experiences quite a lot of tourism, with honeypot towns like Helmsley, peppered with holiday cottage's and literally having dark high streets in winter. Big attractions like Castle Howard, bring lots of tourism and local jobs, but also contribute to summer traffic congestion on the A64.

When house hunting it is worth understanding the nature of house ownership in the villages. The big Estates, Castle Howard, Hovingham, Halifax etc. can own many of the properties in a village and can have a big impact when selling land, putting forward development plans etc.

Northumberland is more remote in many respects, with wonderful beaches and the beautiful Cheviots.

Although there are a number of nice towns, you do have to go to Newcastle for a city experience and it is a much larger city. Whereas I feel safe wandering around York at all times of the day and night, I don’t feel the same in Newcastle.

Tourism is also a big factor in the coastal locations and winter can be a very different experience in Northumberland once the tourists have gone and the businesses focused on serving them shut up shop for the season.

In terms of weather I feel that the Howardian Hills are warmer and dryer. Never as warm as the long dry summers of Suffolk, but actually a lot more comfortable. My experience of Northumberland is that it is cooler and wetter, particularly inland and towards the Cheviots. However, it can be a county of two weather patterns. The area around Bamburgh does seem to have a microclimate, often being warm and dry when the Cheviots are shrouded in mist.

When it comes to getting around, the bus services are much better in the Northumberland coastal belt. At least in summer. Without a car in the Howardian Hills you are pretty stuck. Train services are pretty similar, trains run from Malton and the coast into York where you can pick up the East Coast mainline north or south, along with services west to Leeds, Liverpool, etc. The same mainline serves Newcastle and then Alnmouth, Berwick etc.

£1.5m - £2m will buy you a wonderful home in either location, although I think the Howardian Hills are more expensive. Talk to Blenkin & Co for advice about the Yorkshire property market They sell a lot of properties off market and are a great York Estate Agent. I bought my house through Savilles. They do really understand the nuances of land ownership in both markets and should also be able to give you good advice.

PoodlenotDoodle · 08/09/2025 09:32

EwwSprouts · 07/09/2025 21:39

Following on from PP this is between York and Thirsk and outside the village. Look at the view on photo 3!
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/161981411#/media?activePlan=1&id=media0&channel=RES_BUY
Definitely no rolling hills and vistas in Norfolk. Holidayed there last year and does not compare to Northumberland, which that does have harsher winters than N Yorks.

beautiful house!

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PoodlenotDoodle · 08/09/2025 09:32

BoschMkII · 07/09/2025 21:49

I’d search near Ampleforth. You can be in London in three hours even if you drive to York. Beautiful countryside, not too wet compared to the Dales.

Yes this is on our list

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PoodlenotDoodle · 08/09/2025 09:33

Whenautumnleavesstarttofall · 07/09/2025 22:46

I live in one of those locations (Howardian Hills and Northumberland) and constantly hanker for the other.

I know both very well, having moved north from Suffolk (commuting into London) and holidaying in the other for the last 20 years.

The Howardian Hills have the benefit of being within 30-40 mins travelling distance of York and 1hr 15mins to Harrogate. I know you have said you are looking for remote but York is a wonderful city and there is nothing more atmospheric that an evening concert at York Minster along with a meal in one of the amazing restaurants that pepper the city streets.

The Moors and coast are also relatively close (although I am not that fond of the Yorkshire coastline). The area experiences quite a lot of tourism, with honeypot towns like Helmsley, peppered with holiday cottage's and literally having dark high streets in winter. Big attractions like Castle Howard, bring lots of tourism and local jobs, but also contribute to summer traffic congestion on the A64.

When house hunting it is worth understanding the nature of house ownership in the villages. The big Estates, Castle Howard, Hovingham, Halifax etc. can own many of the properties in a village and can have a big impact when selling land, putting forward development plans etc.

Northumberland is more remote in many respects, with wonderful beaches and the beautiful Cheviots.

Although there are a number of nice towns, you do have to go to Newcastle for a city experience and it is a much larger city. Whereas I feel safe wandering around York at all times of the day and night, I don’t feel the same in Newcastle.

Tourism is also a big factor in the coastal locations and winter can be a very different experience in Northumberland once the tourists have gone and the businesses focused on serving them shut up shop for the season.

In terms of weather I feel that the Howardian Hills are warmer and dryer. Never as warm as the long dry summers of Suffolk, but actually a lot more comfortable. My experience of Northumberland is that it is cooler and wetter, particularly inland and towards the Cheviots. However, it can be a county of two weather patterns. The area around Bamburgh does seem to have a microclimate, often being warm and dry when the Cheviots are shrouded in mist.

When it comes to getting around, the bus services are much better in the Northumberland coastal belt. At least in summer. Without a car in the Howardian Hills you are pretty stuck. Train services are pretty similar, trains run from Malton and the coast into York where you can pick up the East Coast mainline north or south, along with services west to Leeds, Liverpool, etc. The same mainline serves Newcastle and then Alnmouth, Berwick etc.

£1.5m - £2m will buy you a wonderful home in either location, although I think the Howardian Hills are more expensive. Talk to Blenkin & Co for advice about the Yorkshire property market They sell a lot of properties off market and are a great York Estate Agent. I bought my house through Savilles. They do really understand the nuances of land ownership in both markets and should also be able to give you good advice.

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very helpful thank you!

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PoodlenotDoodle · 08/09/2025 19:47

TerminalMoraine · 07/09/2025 22:15

@PoodlenotDoodleNot all of Norfolk is flat, you are thinking of the Fens on the western/SW side of Norfolk. There are more hilly areas in NW and mid Norfolk.

Can you recommend some pretty villages for me to research?

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whatifshejust · 15/09/2025 22:47

Northumberland is fabulous, the beaches and the countryside. It's relatively dry. Kings Cross to Alnmouth is 3.5 hours by train, so longer than you want but on the plus side you would get a lot of house for your money. Eg: this is 10 minutes drive to Alnmouth station.
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/161385038#/?channel=RES_BUY

Check out this Manor house for sale on Rightmove

Manor house for sale in Hartlaw Manor, Nr Alnwick, NE65 for £1,850,000. Marketed by Richard Brown and Partners, Belford

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/161385038#/?channel=RES_BUY

PoodlenotDoodle · 16/09/2025 09:07

whatifshejust · 15/09/2025 22:47

Northumberland is fabulous, the beaches and the countryside. It's relatively dry. Kings Cross to Alnmouth is 3.5 hours by train, so longer than you want but on the plus side you would get a lot of house for your money. Eg: this is 10 minutes drive to Alnmouth station.
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/161385038#/?channel=RES_BUY

Wow this looks lovely! I worry it is a bit far from London for our children to visit but it really does look stunning! How about rural Norfolk - any thoughts from anyone?

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