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Annie59 · 07/07/2010 16:24

A couple of weeks ago my h took a phone call that led him to leave the room/house and return very flustered although trying to cover it up.tried to lie about call content but then sat me down to come clean.Had been accused of having affair by anothers H after he found text messages between my h and his wife on her phone.He confessed they were of a graphic sexual naure and that it was just a 'silly game'that had got out of hand but wht's eating me up is that he's been meeting up with her on a regular dog walk at least 3/4 times a week for several months.This side of christmas.He's distraught at how hurt i am,and says he's glad her H saw the texts(he was deleting all his immediately and i've never once thought to check his phone anyway-that's how stupidly trusting i've been)He swears he's not been physically unfaithful- or even kissed her-and that it's a platonic friendship got out of hand.He's a lovely guy,easy to talk to and brought up with sisters and dad to 3 girls and I know women find him easy to talk to but have trusted him cos we have such a loving relationship thro all our ups and downs.(28 years!)i've talked to the other woman and she confirms the same,says she truly sorry but she misses him as a friend.He's deleted her no and e-mail and says he doesn't want to meet her again and hugely regrets it if he gave the wrong messages by receiving and replying to her texts(she initiated them)However i can't get the idea of such intimate talk between them out of my head and feel shattered by what feels like a massive betrayal.At the moment ifeel as if he has had a full blown affair.I find it hard to believe that she /he could type out such texts and not be hoping or intending to act on them at some stage.Also what cuts me up is how long and how far would this have gone without that phone call 2 weeks ago.Any advice on how to cope and clam down please?!

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ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 07/07/2010 16:34

Well, firstly, don't down play your feelings. It is a massive betrayal. He has engaged in behaviour with another woman that he knew would hurt you, and kept it secret. He needs to take full responsibility for his actions and not put all the blame on her (he's sorry for giving her the wrong impression?! He replied!). How you proceed is up to you and what you want to achieve.

Hassled · 07/07/2010 16:35

Well he was effectively having a full blown affair, wasn't he? He was emotionally involved with another woman - the fact they didn't actually have sex is irrelevant. Don't let anyone belittle this - it was a massive betrayal, and it will take you a long time to build up any sort of trust or get any sort of normality back.

But lots of couples do get past things like this - don't despair, but equally don't feel you have to just get over it and carry on quickly. Take your time - maybe see a Relate counsellor, either on your own or together. You'll probably never know how far it would have gone - he probably couldn't tell you even if he wanted to - and only you can decide whether that's something you can cope with. There will be lots of unknowns, and it is shit, I know. Just take your time.

sayithowitis · 07/07/2010 17:56

I'm sorry for you Annie. But I don't think he has told you the truth. I have been married for a similar length of time to you and there is no way my DH would engage in any sort of 'game' that included sending graphic sex texts to another woman!

I would be very concerned that he only told you about this after the phone call. Was it the OW's husband by any chance? Maybe threatening to out him to you? Sounds to me that he only told you because they have been found out and he wanted to get his story in first. And that's exactly what it is. A story.

It would be the end of my marriage.

lazarusb · 07/07/2010 18:14

If you believe that this didn't have a physical side and want to save your marriage, then it can be done but it will take time. You need to make sure he knows how you feel and work through this. Ask him how it got to this and what he was thinking. They both need to accept responsibility and if he wants to save your marriage he will have to do some bloody hard work. This is a betrayal and you have every right to feel hurt and angry.
If you can get over this it can be like falling in love again but trust is not something that will come back overnight. I wish you all the best, I know how you feel.

Annie59 · 07/07/2010 19:24

Thanks for the replies.yes I do feel he has had an affair -or at least was on the verge of one and I'm still so shocked about the nature of the texts.the other woman i have met face to face and she says shee initiated the sexual texts but i feel -perhaps naively-at this point he should have had a huge wake up call and if he truly respected me and our marriage should have made it clear she was crossing a boundary.But no they both willingly carried on.she says it was 'only'10/12 off these texts but that 1o/12 too many and i get the feeling they were chatting backwards and forwards a lot prior to these.I do believe he feels thats it -dont care if i don't see her cos he loves me and wants us to stay together.but at this moment in time I feel i'll never feel as secure and trusting again.

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lazarusb · 07/07/2010 21:32

It does take time, he needs to earn that trust back. If the woman thinks it was ok to even think about doing this she is seriously deluded. God knows why he responded. Hope you work this out.

DunderMifflin · 07/07/2010 21:37

no real advice annie, just didn't want to read and run - i really feel for you and can only imagine how horrible this must be.

i hope you can sort it out and trust him again - it is incredibly difficult but if you really do believe him that nothing physical happened perhaps over time you'll be able to forgive him? marriages have survived much worse.

good luck.

lucky1979 · 07/07/2010 21:47

Do you think the OW's husband would talk to you? It would be interesting if he has been told the same story, or if he has been told that your husband initiated the whole thing.

The story all just sounds a bit too neat for me. Why did he keep the fact that he was meeting up with her 4 times a week a secret from you if it was all innocent until a few dodgy texts? Has he ever even mentioned that he has seen her?

Coolfonz · 07/07/2010 21:55

Does he have a filthy sense of humour in general? I mean it could just have been a bit stupid, he may have just been having a giggle. And a morning dog walk doesn't sound like affair territory too much.

Maybe he's telling the truth, you've been together 28 years after all...

JaynieB · 07/07/2010 22:06

I'm with Coolfonz, it sounds like your husband has enjoyed a bit of a flirt with this woman and its got out of hand. Its understandable that you're shocked and hurt, but I wouldn't throw your relationship away over this - unless there is more to it than has been admitted.
It sounds like your husband is contrite and has cut off contact, which is a good start and I think it means he is serious about making amends.

AnyFucker · 07/07/2010 22:17

OP, I understand how hurt and betrayed you must feel

But it does seem to me, your H is making the right moves following this sorry interlude coming to light.

Would you both consider any counselling to explore a) why he let this escalate b) for you to properly articulate how much this has shaken your trust and respect in him ?

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 08/07/2010 02:32

First of all Annie, I can empathise with your enormous shock. In one fell swoop, your H has fallen from the pedestal he was once on and there must be moments now when you look at him and wonder whether you knew him at all. It's a terrible loss of innocence.

Unfortunately however, what your post tells me is that your H is trying to minimise what happened. His words are very revealing. This was not a "silly game that had got out of hand". He knew all along that this was not a game and it was not silly. A fantasy perhaps - and a bit of escapism, but he would have known that this wasn't a game.

You also say that he "hugely regrets it if he gave the wrong messages by receiving and replying to her texts(she initiated them)" Well, if you're texting a woman in sexually graphic terms, she can hardly receive the wrong message, can she? The message is pretty clear - he wanted sex with her. Also, while I have no doubt that she may have initiated the contact, he appears to be minimising his own culpability by pointing out that she did so. He could have said no.

I'm afraid that since they were also meeting regularly, I cannot imagine that they discussed the weather and world politics on these walks. It would be stretching credibility too far to imagine that having built eachother up into a sexual frenzy via text the night before, or earlier that day - they didn't do anything other than walking the dogs.

It doesn't surprise me that OW is confirming his story, because no doubt they are sticking to the same story with their spouses and presenting a united front. It suits her to verify his story, because that's what she's telling her H too.

Therefore I endorse the suggestion that you meet this man and swap stories. I would bet you'd find some discrepancies in their accounts then.

I would be inclined to agree that nothing physical had happened, were it not for the regularity of their meetings. I would also believe more readily that this would not have progressed to a physical affair if they hadn't been rumbled by her DH. Neither of them can claim that they had realised the error of their ways and had decided to put a stop to it. This would have continued if they hadn't been found out.

This doesn't mean your H is a bad man. He's someone who engaged in a friendship that started off as life enhancing and rewarding, but then turned into something else entirely. It is very common, especially amongst good kind people who think that they are immune to an unsafe friendship, because their marriages are happy. These very people are the most vulnerable, because they don't see the threat until they have become hopelessly addicted and infatuated.

You can overcome this and have a much stronger and even happier marriage, but in order to do this, you need some real honesty.

In the wake of any affair, emotional or physical, the betrayer must be honest about the indisputable facts - what physical contact took place, when and where and who knew about it. This is a must.

Unfortunately, what takes longer to establish is motive and reason. Often, the betraying spouse is lying to both you and most of all himself in the initial aftermath. The lies to you are all about minimising and protection, of himself and you. He will be telling himself that he is lying so as not to hurt, but what he won't acknowledge is how much he is protecting himself by these lies too.

It is essential that you both get some answers about why this happened. But first, he has to understand himself and why he departed from his values - why he gave himself permission to get involved. Often, this will be brought out by some counselling on his own. I would insist on it.

Not Just Friends by Dr. Shirley Glass will really help you both to understand what has happened here.

I hope that your H will give you more honesty, because I think that's the only way you can move on from this. If you've constantly got nagging suspicions, you'll never really be able to heal - and you will feel an additional sense of grievance that you were lied to even after discovery.

Good luck and keep posting.

Annie59 · 08/07/2010 08:58

thanks girls .had a bad night-woke early and going over stuff on my own and with him-and not sure it helps.Appreciate what some comments say about talking to OW's H but don't feel I want for whtever reason.Had crossed my mind.He did have more of a reason to be at the walk venue than most in that we run a pet services and had to take dogs out at similar time and same venue and think they fell into habit of walking round together -but from what i can gather she made an effort to organise her day so she was around when he was and it went from there.But yes i do feel whilst he's been honest about what happened(he could have told me her husband rang because he saw a text arranging to meet for walk and not mentioned the explicit text-because daft old me would never in a million years seeen that one coming) He had mentioned chatting to her over recent months in passing ,and did walk round once a week with another female (but one we both know-and i ironically use to nickname his girlfreind!)however i do agree for mysake i wanthim to behonest with himself about why he chose not to tell me how often he met up with OW in recent weeks.He'd started to text her to tell he what time he would get there -and he needs to be really honest with himself as to what his motives might have been but i don't think he really wants to go there.He's really good at compartmentalising things away that upset him-and i know he's truly upset,not just at the finding out but what he might have done.He says he never would but as I,ve pointed out a few weeeks back would he have imagined himself stupid enough to receive and respond to these text.I think you're right that to be truly honest with each other we need to see a counsellor and several times he's suggested this-but i keep thinking I'm getting a grip and so far have said no.However now perhaps i think we should.thanks for support.

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ladylush · 08/07/2010 13:10

Sorry to hear this - must be a huge shock Do you believe him? Not sure I would.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 08/07/2010 13:49

One of the resasons you perhaps don't want to talk to the OW's husband is because you still want to believe that your H was targeted and corrupted by a horrible woman. Her H might be in the same kind of denial; placing the blame on your H's shoulders.

It is a phase most of us go through in some form of another - but it needs working through like any other, because it is denial and doesn't help you get to the necessary truth.

When you write "silly old me" I also recognise that you are perhaps blaming yourself in some way for not tumbling this sooner. Please don't, because it's not logical. You've been with this man for 28 years and presumably, he's never given you any reason to mistrust him or look at his phone. I was the same after 24 years; like yours, mine was an accidental discovery. When my H and the OW were at the texting stage alone, I didn't suspect a thing. Your default position is to trust and if you're not a jealous or suspicious person generally, the alarm bells would not have gone off.

It is good that your H wants to go to counselling - that's a really nurturing action by him. I'd really encourage it, but since he is so keen, how about getting him to go on his own? Because like any infidelity, it is about him, not you or the marriage.

I actually think it's pretty impossible to unravel something like this without therapeutic help. It happened for a reason, but it often takes an enormous amount of time and self-analysis on the part of the betrayer to work out what that was. If he doesn't do it, something like this could happen again.

bananalover · 08/07/2010 20:48

I think technology is shit...it causes so much heartache these days. Makes it far too bloody easy to cheat on someone>
And what exactly does 'did not mean any harm by it' mean? If someone meant to cause no pain, they wouldn't bloody well do shite like this in the first place.

celticfairy101 · 08/07/2010 22:11

I agree that this has caused you a great deal of shock, pain and anger. His actions have been dishonest. Sex texting and then meeting is an affair in my book. Each has sexually aroused the other and they have fantasised about each other too you can be sure. Both have actively participated. Each are equally culpable.

I also agree with bananalover that technology makes it so much easier to have affairs, emails and texting adds an extra frisson to the affair, and takes it to extra heights. The fallout however is greater.

It's good that he has seen sense and is seeking to mend the damage done. Bridges can be rebuilt and he needs to seek help for his abhorrent behaviour towards you. It will take time and patience. Good marriages can suffer from infidelity too. It's a myth imo that affairs only happen as a result of bad marriages, especially when there is technology involved.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 09/07/2010 01:10

Shirley Glass documents some research in her book about what it means when a man in a long marriage is unfaithful for the first time - in almost every case, the infidelity has absolutely nothing to do with marital satisfaction. In such cases, it is much more to do with extraneous dissatisfactions, such as mid-life reckonings, a yearning for an adventure and a desire to recreate the intensity of a new relationship.

And I absolutely agree. Affairs happen in very good marriages. But it follows that having a good marriage is no insurance against infidelity, of any kind. The only reliable insurance is the one taken out by the individual, on himself in this case. That is why he needs to dig deep and question why he gave himself permission to do this.

Annie59 · 09/07/2010 09:31

Thanks when will ifeelnormal.Yet again a rubbish nights sleep but we talked a lot in the early hours as he followed me downstairs when i got up.I'm sure youre right i whilst i can't feel mid-life crisis is a good enough excuse i've pointed out to him that he needs to be really honest with himself.I know he loves me, believe he has severed all contact and is desperate to do whaetver it takes.He's told me to talk to anyone of my friends if it helps and doesn't care if they know if it makes me feel better but apart from one v close friend and you guys I won't.
if I can't move forward in the next few days I shall go to a counsellor and i did suggest he talked on his own to one.He says we'll go together if that's what i want.I know he's a solid harworking guy- he's lost a business in the past and also been made redundant and then we've built up a business together in recent years but I know he has his 'is this it' moments.Especially as several of his friends have been very successful.But one thing i've always admired is his lack of ego and snobbery and ability to do whatever it takes to provide.There have been a couple of opportunities presented in the last year or two for new ventures but quite frankly I wasn't happy with the risk element involved and he said if I wasn't happy he would say no-so he did.We decided jointly not to risk the house,pension etc and settle for the low risk option we'd built up.Doesn't make it any easier but i do feel your comment about extraneous dissatisfactions makes some sense,will get the book but he also needs to be really honest with himself and think he's realizing this gradually.and yes bannalover technology is shit!

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 09/07/2010 09:36

So did he say no to going to a counsellor on his own? Why is he resisting that, I wonder?

Annie59 · 09/07/2010 15:32

no he didn't say no.was in middle of the night and i was so tired and confused but think he thought we should go together and what was point of going alone?Feel like a stuck record at times and don't want to put up barriers over w/end but when we have another heart to heart (which won't be long0 think you are right and i will say he should go talk to someone alone.Aside from anything else i guess she'd become someone he felt he could talk to and he's hardly likely to want to discuss with family and friends -he's not that type- so he's only got himself to go over things with.because it is out of character to do something that would hurt or betray me he really needs to sort out why he allowed this to get out of hand.Otherwise I'm never going to fully trust him not to do it again in years to come if like this time circumstances make it possible.Im guessing your H went to see someone,with or without you and hoping it got better and things worked out?

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