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I wish his ex would take him back, leopards and all

64 replies

cloudylemonade · 07/07/2010 11:57

I'm a regular, have name changed. For over 2 years that I've been on MN I have given advice, laughed and cried at your posts but now I only feel numb. I really don't know what hit me.

I have a toddler and am nearly full term pregnant, Dh has been distant, travelling loads for work and done his own thing when at home (gym, sleeping, ebaying, drawing, by himself).

I felt something wasn't right, espesh one evening when he was on his blackberry messenger and I asked him who was on the other line. I had a bad feeling and persisted I wanted to see it. He told me I was paranoid and it was work. At 11pm , making him smile

After the last biz trip I put his media card into my own bberry and have found a handful of pictures from 2 women. One is fully clothed and looks a bit like me, the other is a total pig but there are more of her, some taken by herself, some by another person. One is in a bar with her legs apart and no knicks, one only in underwear showing her tats. She's a fat dirty blonde and I am seriously as to why my H would keep pictures of her.

When he came back to the car I hit him in the face with my backhand and screeched at him, not my finest moment I admit.

He was married before, 2 kids he hardly ever sees. His ex (who I've met) prefers it that way as we live abroad and she's happy with a ew man (long term relationship, great guy from what I can see). He told me he had cheated on her twice in the marriage because she wasn't interested in him, preferred the kids, etc. She wasn't on his level he said, blah blah..they didn't want the same things.

So off he went. Moved out and started divorcing. Fast forward we meet at work. All going jolly well. Then we marry, move abroad, have a baby and now I'm here. IN EXACTLY THE SAME POSITION AS HIS EX, only one child is still a bump and I watch history repeating itself.

Are you still with me?

The blonde minger is a girl from work he says, he took me to his work place that night and I rifled through his emails. A few flirty ones but nothing outrageous, the other is a colleague abroad, engaged to someone else just sending pics of her on hols. Oh and emails trying to be on the same flight, same hotel as my H on his last biz trip.

I have half a mind of calling his ex and telling her that she's lucky to be rid of him and can she give me advice, but I feel too embarassed.

He's away again. Doesn't even think it's really his fault. Says I'm all mumsy, not paying him enough attention, I don't work with him anymore, our babies come first, he's sick of nappies, he's sick of the rut.

We have my mum who's looked after our child more than enough, we had at least 10 great WE's away since she was born: London, Hong Kong, Paris, Beirut, etc. I go to the spa 2x a week for mani pedis, blow dry, etc. I look after myself, I cook, put lingerie on, give head, etc. Though not much sex (2xmonth) as horrid pregnancy and now a huge bump.

I feel so and empty, I can't trust him anymore and I don't want to try and continue pleasing someone who obviously wants very different things from life.

I could rat him out to his boss over these two girls but I'm not sure. Please, what would you do? I cannot talk to anyone in RL for fear that if I end up staying with him they'll remind me of this constantly.

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EleanorHandbasket · 07/07/2010 13:56

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valiumSingleton · 07/07/2010 14:04

That's sad. DOn't be afraid to admit defeat. You know things haven't worked out and you realise the x was right, so you don't need to speak to her, certainly not 'til after you have left. I agree with the pp, just go home.

msboogie · 07/07/2010 14:21

what do you mean you can't tell anyone in case you end up staying with him?

why on earth would you do that?

how many ways does he need to show you how much of a low life c*nt he is before you get the message?

Leave, take papers, file for divorce in the UK then take a leaf out of his ex's book and find someone decent to be a father to your kids.

AnyFucker · 07/07/2010 14:36

Admit defeat. Don't continue to throw any more of your life away on this man. Set him free for the other poor cows he will go on to deceive and make a fool out of.

Come back to the UK and never go back.

thumbwitch · 07/07/2010 14:47

It's not admitting defeat - it's seeing the light. If CL dumps him and runs, it will not be her loss, it will be her gain in so many ways! That's a win, not a defeat.

AnyFucker · 07/07/2010 14:51

TW, you are right.

I meant admit "defeat" in the sense of don't try any longer to fight for this relationship and don't be ashamed to admit you have been fooled but no more

Some women will stay in a situation like this, because they feel they have invested so much already, without realising that staying is just like throwing good money (or energy and love) after bad

Just stop now...and leave.

cloudylemonade · 07/07/2010 17:22

Thanks girls, just back from a playdate.

I have read all messages and I think I'm still in denial. I sway between believing him it was 'just' emails and pictures and kicking him to the curb given his history.

WWIFN, you always give such well thought through and written advice on other threads. You actually used a word: 'That is, if they are not acting and looking like a porn star 24/7 and willing to have sex when he wants it, he will punish them.' that my H used on me. As a justification for his actions he said: 'you didn't give me the attention that I want so I thought I will punish you for this'.

AF, I think you're right, I don't know if I want to throw my marriage away for a few emails and pics...but

  1. he's done it before
  2. he's not accepting responsibility
  3. he's blaming me for it
  4. he's been abusive in the past months, readily calling me names even in public

Actually reading on here what I wrote is just awful. Like I'm watching a car crash happening not realising I'm in it.

I don't have ex's contact dets. She was quite alright with me. Guess she pitied me and was kind to me knowing he'd do it again. His kids loved playing with my little one. We won't be living in the UK though but rather Continental Europe. I might contact my H's father to let him know what a twat his son is get her number. Don't think he'll mind much, given that he's cheated on my H's late mum. Bless her, she died nearly 20 years ago. Things would be v different if she was still around.

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valiumSingleton · 07/07/2010 17:40

Wow. I think you know what you have to do. I know you are pregnant, and I had the wake up and smell the coffee moment when I was pregnant with dc2. I stuck things out 'til dc2 was 14months and I really regret it. Don't feel you can't move or leave or change things because you are heavily pregnant. Go back to your Mum's and enjoy the time with your new baby. I will never get back that time to enjoy the newborn in a stress free environment where I could respect myself.

Don't waste your time trying to get his family to see your side. They won't and if you try to make them they'll think you're mad. Just let them think what they think. You get your freedom.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 07/07/2010 18:46

Wow it gets worse. I thought he was a punitive man from the little you'd said.

And did you know that men whose fathers were unrepentant adulterers are much more likely to be unfaithful themselves?

This isn't just a few E mails and pictures. They are the tip of the iceberg. He is nasty and abusive and believes that women should be punished if they don't "behave".

I really, really hope you are coming out of your denial now OP. Don't bother telling his Dad either. Just get the hell out of there and punish him for a change.

Please don't bargain this away. Think of your children, if not yourself. Do you really want him as a role model?

AnyFucker · 07/07/2010 18:48

Yes, or a train crash

But you don't have to stay for more punishment. Why the hell would you do that to yourself ?

Leave him to it. You might find there is a bit of token resistance, a little bit of "ohhh, you are taking my kiiiiids, you biiiiitch"

but he will return to form quite quickly and after a bit of sporadic contact and a bit more vowing to make your life hell/telling you will never meet anyone else because you are soooo shit, he will disappear off the radar

that's what he did last time...and will do the next, I am sure

don't invest any more energy in being the victim of him

secunda · 07/07/2010 18:53

get the fuck back to the UK and file there. Do NOT file for divorce abroad

cloudylemonade · 07/07/2010 18:58

I have just come off the phone to my mum and let slip a bit more. I will spend the next few days getting documents together in the house and taking certificates. Also packing all my jewellery (will probably need the money). I still can't believe it's happening to me, after giving the same advice to others.

I felt paralysed when I saw the pictures and thought it'd go away. But there seems to be no remorse, no sorry, only blame from him.

I may be a pregnant cow and a bit slow on the uptake these days but I'm not being lied to my face. I can only imagine how his ex must have felt, mind you, she was a lot more idealistic in her view of people, trying to see the best in everyone. I can't face calling her, don't want to cry on the phone. I'll get her address and will send her updated pictures of my little one and ask to keep in touch.

Thank god I'm pregnant or I'd be back on my old vice, cigarettes. Ugh.

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cloudylemonade · 07/07/2010 19:01

Why did he not learn? Why is it my duty to put him first and leave my child (soon children) to look after herself??

I'll go to bed soon. My head is swirling with thoughts.

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AnyFucker · 07/07/2010 19:01

So sorry it turned out like this, cloudy x

cloudylemonade · 07/07/2010 19:16

Thanks AF. His loss. Why did he go on pestering me for children, crying in my arms for his other 2.

4 children who'll never really know their Dad and that might be for their best. How fucking depressing.

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cloudylemonade · 07/07/2010 19:19

AF, just re-read this: "but he will return to form quite quickly and after a bit of sporadic contact and a bit more vowing to make your life hell/telling you will never meet anyone else because you are soooo shit, he will disappear off the radar"

and that's a very good summing up of what he did before.

I'd have been willing to say 'midlife crisis' if it was the first time but after his divorce and with his Dad's chequered past...

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chattymitchie · 07/07/2010 19:20

Erm ... so he he leaves his last wife because he had kids with her and she got all mumsy....

then meets you, has kids with you, and is now annoyed because you're all mumsy?

He sounds like a total arse, either that or he's just plain stupid.

If you're coming home, just stay here.

cloudylemonade · 07/07/2010 19:24

I have also coaxed more info out of him this evening after pretending I had phoned the pretty girl. He admitted he'd requested pics of her and paid her compliments.

Oh and met her to discuss her boss while they were both in Korea on a business trip. No other colleagues present.

Don't really know why I asked. Some sort of morbid need to torture myself picturing him with her. Of course he denied anything physical had happened.

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AnyFucker · 07/07/2010 19:25

Not midlife crisis

Just a philanderer who cannot or more likely will not change

And while there are a succession of women to listen to his tales of woe and fall prey to his charm...why would he ? (no offence to you, love)

Best you see him for what he really is and employ damage-limitation mode now

chattymitchie · 07/07/2010 19:26

He's giving you the minimum details that he thinks you could find out from someone else ... so I'm guessing he did sleep with her. Did the same to my ex, he confessed to the stuff that I could probably check with other people but nothing more than that.

He'll lie to your face. Easy.

cloudylemonade · 07/07/2010 19:28

Yes chatty, the irony. But he wanted those kids. Wanted ours, too. Clearly both his ex and I did not fullfill his high standards of how much a wife has to put into a relationship. He also called me a leech because I'm not putting anything into the relationship. Well, I can't work here, on my visa it says Housewife, not allowed to work. And with a second baby...yeah, sure.

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cloudylemonade · 07/07/2010 19:31

I know chatty. I know and still don't want to believe it. How bloody thick am I. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

Yes AF. I am, I won't call his boss...yet. I'll make sure I'm out of this country in 2 weeks and concentrate on the birth. And I was really excited about a VBAC, now I'll be alone. Shit.

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AnyFucker · 07/07/2010 19:46

Your poor thing. You don't deserve this.

chattymitchie · 07/07/2010 20:02

you'll do great!! could your mum be there with you?

chattymitchie · 07/07/2010 20:05

he called you a leech? he sounds like such a nasty bit of work. Hardly loving and supportive is he?!

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