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Has anyone been together 16 years and split up even though you still love each other?

47 replies

tumpty · 17/06/2010 09:52

Just that really.

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tumpty · 17/06/2010 16:15

SGB, its fine with me, I'm grateful you're all trying to throw in a penny to help. I'm just clarifying

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tumpty · 17/06/2010 16:20

By WhenwillIfeelnormal Thu 17-Jun-10 11:15:57
"Tumpty. Why were you posting in the third person? It's quite a passive-aggressive thing to do, not to own one's own words. As is posting by stealth, creating a bit of drama while the story unfolds...."

Not meaning to. I am a regular on here and usually post with great eloquence!!! I am pretty low at the moment and busy and I just don't have time or a clear head to make my words pretty. I am bashing in the facts in order to get a quick overview down so I can use MN to help me pick through my feelings.

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TimeForMe · 17/06/2010 16:22

Tumpty what do you have in your life? Do you work? Do you have friends who you socialise with? Do you have other areas in your life where you feel happy and fulfilled? Do you really feel that walking away from a good man who you love will make you happy?

Baffy · 17/06/2010 17:42

tumpty I totally understand where you are coming from, and yes, you do need someone for you. love is great. loving someone is great, but personally I don't believe it's enough.

these last few months I was thoroughly unhappy. not because H was a bad person. he was great company, and I loved him so much, but he just didn't love me in the way I needed him to.

sounds daft but the small things he used to do when we were first together, run me a bath after a stressful day, buy my favourite chocolate bar in the petrol station just because. I guess just because he knew it would make me happy. Curl up with me in bed and chat and cuddle and just be close. There was life there. A spark. Something to look forward to each and every day.

And that all went. The emotion went. The love was still there, but it wasn't enough.

I'm not explaining myself very well. I'm devastated myself. But I do understand where you're coming from. And I do think you're right in needing, and wanting, more. Love on it's own is not enough.

Sorry, probably not what you wanted to hear.
But I do understand.

tumpty · 17/06/2010 18:37

On the contrary baffy, I do need to hear that. It means I am not a bad person for feeling this way, and not alone. I feel I must be an absolute bitch of a woman to feel this way. He doesn't kick me black and blue, he provides for his family very well, etc etc. But its not enough. Thank you for sharing yours.

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tumpty · 17/06/2010 18:43

timeforme, I don't work, haven't for ten years plus. I'm not qualified as anything and tbh, I like the job I have. I have a small social circle, I like it that way, my friends are few but very good. I have interests that I don't do often because I wanted to do them with my partner. Have lost count of the amount of times he has let me down. I never really complained in a big way, just gave away tickets for things and said "another time" as I knew he was working hard. But I have felt like the child who waits at the window for 'daddy' and 'daddy' doesn't arrive.

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TimeForMe · 17/06/2010 19:04

I understand I don't think you are a bitch at all and neither should you. I do think that you may be lonely though, that there may be a void in your life that you are now perhaps looking for your DH to fill. And I'm not saying there is anything wrong in that, nothing wrong at all but the trouble is it is something that can't be forced. For all of these years you have chugged along, being the dutiful wife, not feeling entirely happy but nevertheless standing by him. But now you need more, you want more! Nothing wrong with that.

Rather than expect your DH to bring the excitement into your relationship, rather than wait for him to show love and passion, is there anything you could do to change things? It may well be that he has got stuck in a rut too, that he has taken your relationship for granted and had actually forgotten how to be what you need him to be. You do say you love him so that is a good starting point for change, for a fresh start

TimeForMe · 17/06/2010 19:07

Oh and I meant to add, the reason I asked about work, friends etc was because I wondered if there were any other areas in your life you could enhance in order to make your life more fulfilling. I thought you being fulfilled in other areas would take the pressure off your relationship with DH but it does seem that you are happy with your life

tumpty · 17/06/2010 19:20

timeforme, I appreciate that thought and I'll give it a bit of thinking, this is precisely what I need to hear so I don't go forward blindly.

To be honest, ATM, I feel I'm passed that, beyond caring, I don't miss him when he goes on trips any more. (I relish them ). I don't have to watch over 'the lodger'........that's too harsh but kind of where I am. Hate feeling that way.

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NotQuiteCockney · 17/06/2010 19:27

Tumpty, please, get yourself some help. You sound really down and confused about all this. Go see a therapist. Talk it all over, in safe environment. And you'll know what to do.

(I'm guessing here, but did your parents tend more towards absent/distracted rather than smothering?)

tumpty · 17/06/2010 20:09

Mmmmn, parents.......

I had counselling a couple of years ago. Don't have the great relationship I always believed and was told I had with my mum. Took me until counselling (age 36) to stop living my life the way she would expect me to and want me to and emotionally pressure me to.

I have blossomed since the counselling and I think this is part of it. I want to put me first.

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NotQuiteCockney · 17/06/2010 20:13

That totally makes sense. If you got on well with your counsellor, and found it productive, why not go back and see him or her now for some guidance?

Anniegetyourgun · 17/06/2010 20:18

A random thought: isn't there something peculiar about a parent insisting that you had a lovely childhood? If you did have one, would they have needed to say so, or would it not manifest itself in, for example, recalling actual events that you enjoyed - that you agree you enjoyed? To put it another way, is there anyone here who is sure they did have a really nice childhood, whose mother keeps talking about how nice their childhood was? Compared, say, with the majority of regulars on the Stately Homes thread, whose mothers seem to have spent their entire lives assuring them what a GREAT time they had (or in some cases, what a great time they would have had if they weren't such difficult children)? Is it, in a word, an indicator of abuse/denial?

Answers on a postcard, to save cluttering up Tumty's thread...

Baffy · 17/06/2010 21:01

Not a bitch in the slightest. I think it's absolutely fair enough that you feel this way, and the bravest step of all is actually acknowledging it. We become very good at living in denial. Always 'hoping' for that turnaround, the great future, which must be just around the corner...

Then we wake up one day and realise that the future is here. And we either accept this as our lot, or make the brave step to make a change.

As TFM says, it's a good idea to explore other options and other ideas. He's a good man who you love, who provides well etc. If you could fill that void in another way, and keep him and keep your family together then that could be a good solution for all.

But once you've worked it all through, you have to continue being really brave and honest with yourself. The disastrous end to this would be one or other ending up in an affair because someone else suddenly pushes all those buttons and stirs up those feelings that have been wanting to break free for so long.

His comments about wanting what's best and missing the children ring alarm bells for me. Exactly what my H said. I desperately wanted him to want me. To explain how he just couldn't live without me and would do whatever it takes to keep me and make me happy. But sadly not. So you have to ask yourself if your dh is in this for the right reasons too? Perhaps he has some real soul searching to do as well.

Would he entertain talking? Any counselling? Or has it gone past that.

It could be a case that you both just need to find your relationship again. Or build one up. If you both want it enough.

And if one or both of you doesn't want it enough, maybe your answer will be clearer.

I know it's so hard, I do hope you're ok.

tumpty · 18/06/2010 13:05

Thanks for all the replies. Its helpful.

NQC, I had found a really great counsellor but my sessions ended when she moved out of town and working in a slightly different area. I could go back to the old place but....I'm put off trying because my fist counsellor was really not in tune with me at all. Need to think about this, it might be useful.

Baffy, I think you've got you. That's where I am. I realised I had feelings for someone and, although nothing happened, I stopped instantly because I could see how easy it would be. Sneaking around isn't me though so that was never going to happen. We clicked. And I suppose that is the catalyst for where I am now.

DP would probably go to counselling if I said that was our only hope, but I know he'd be more supportive if I went IYKWIM. Also, I just know it would have to fit in with work. And there we have come full circle.......!!!!!! How ironic!

Everyday I get stronger and stronger within me and I feel good with my feelings. I just feel really, really, awful when I think of putting myself before DP and our children.

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lowenergylightbulb · 18/06/2010 14:20

Tumpty, I totally know where you are coming from. My DP was very much like your DP. It was all about him, his blessed career and I felt like a household function and not a person.

About 18 months or so ago we were very much at make or break. I'd been a SAHM for a couple of years by that point which I think compunded how I felt.

We had a big talk and agreed that he would take a step back with his career and that I would resume mine. We have more balance now, I don't feel like a 'function' anymore and things are more like they were back in the day before kids/bills/careers came along IYSWIM.

animula · 26/06/2010 14:26

Sorry to resurrect this thread, tumpty, if you've wanted to leave it. I just found I've been thinking about what you've written.

I found this article linked to somewhere else on mn, and thought you might be interested. Maybe it'll help you think this through?

Marriage/families/relationships are for lots of things - raising children is one of them - but not necessarily all. I find, more and more, I am shocked by how much of their souls women (and it is usually women,) have to give to a marriage/family to keep it going as a nurturing place for others, with themselves not being cared for, in whatever way, but in a way that's not being done. I don't think it's fair.

I don't know whether that means your dh (as the other adult) really should be urged to try and adapt to answer that need of care, or whether it means you should look elsewhere (with the possibility of re-organising your relationship radically, or ending it). But I strongly feel that it's not OK to dismiss, or ignore how some part of you, that you value, that you know needs to be valued and cared for, is being elided in your current set-up.

Eurostar · 27/06/2010 19:15

2 things seem to be going on here

  1. Your husband simply doesn't understand that simple gestures would mean so much more to you than expensive gifts, this is not unusual for a man. You need to communicate this to him. It might even be a sign of his own lack of belief in himself that he can't fathom that a bag of fish and chips in his company would mean more to you than an expensive necklace. He may defining himself in this world through his career and financial success and not see where else meaning and value come from. Hopefully this is the case rather than, as SGB says, you are simply useful for servicing him.

  2. you seem to be leading quite a limited, isolated life which is leading you to perhaps put extra emphasis on the lack of value your H puts on your time together. Would really encourage you to try and widen your horizons and look for ways to find meaning in your life.

Mittz · 27/06/2010 20:47

Tumpty, my heart aches for you as so much of your story echoes mine, with different 'bits'. We split last year after 14 yrs.

Actually lots of different bits. But despite the fact that he has many issues that started to drive us apart, and I found myself in a similar position, looking at someone else and slowly falling into a place I would never have envisaged myself being, I threw my heart and soul into trying to get things back on track, the more so the more I realised the 'OM' (never actually the 'OM' in any way other than in my head) mattered.

I understand why you are writing in the third person at the start..... because it all just hurts so much.

Because to him, a drink, despite all he has done and said under the influence of it, seems to matter more than fighting to get his family back. And for a long time, despite my feelings for someone else, or partly because of them, I would have done anything to get back on track. He had the phone numbers for counselling, anger management, family liason.......

It is a year since we split.

I wasn't worth it. Because he joined me and the kids to watch football today and had a pint, I guess the choice for him to drink, and prove he can be amicable with it defines him, to himself..'look at me, I am not a threat when I drink'.

But the smell of it on him reminds me of him snarling in my face in one of his rages. And I have never been the kind of person to issue ultimatums, it had to be his choice.

In your position, if you have the strength however, I would draw a thick black line, define how you would like things to be and give a fair time for it to happen. Instant changes simply revert back to how things were but if they are laid on good foundations, they might just last.
Be clear that this is the last opportunity to redress things.
Because I am sorry, but unless you do something, then in 5, 10, 15 yrs, nothing will change.

And that is a lot of life to be unhappy tumpty.

There is something achingly lonely about lying next to your life partner and being lonely. I had all the words and gestures sometimes and then a drink falling asleep half way through after initiating something intimate and me lying there crying, feeling ugly and worthless.

And the longer these feelings build up, the harder it is to erase them. Still working on it TBH.

I don't know what and how I feel. Single I would have long since moved on but the DC's makes it painful, you don't just lose the time you were together, but the future you had dreamt of together.

I am not sure if you will get anything from my post, except that I empathise. I am not capable of hating and anger, so in many ways I still care deeply. He protests his love and that he would move heaven and earth to be with me/us. But now I am scarred by the memories of what passed, in counselling, on AD's, torn by my feelings for another man and healing very slowly.

But at least it is on my own terms.

dotterel · 27/06/2010 20:55

wow. I came on here tonight to post about my dh (we have been together 15 years) and all sorts of chords are being struck...Mitz

greeneyes747 · 28/06/2010 20:20

Baffy sums it up beautifully, but for me it ended after 23 years. It's been painful and the guilt about the effect on the children is awful, but I know it's the best thing and in so many ways I'm happier now, 5 months on. You just know when it's time.

1stTimeMummy · 28/06/2010 22:33

Tumpty,

I'm at a totally different stage to you but I feel I'm heading straight down the tracks you've been on.

Been with DH for around 12 years. Have 2 DC's under 4 and gave up work 3.5yrs ago. Liked my job but the thought of being away from babies kills me. DH's career, hours, travel has taken off during same period. Any energy he has outside of work is for the kids (sort of get this but doesn't help me!). I feel like his very well paid/well treated housekeeper/nanny. To keep a happy house, I watch what I say and his mood/stress levels. He earns fab money but its just NOT worth it to me. Think I am going to have to leave kids to go back to work to get some independence and decide if its worth it to stay with this man who I really do love but feel we have got to a place in life where we want different things/have different expectations from a marriage. I just wish I knew how my best friend and I arrived in this place?

Wishing you best of luck with your decision.

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