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Can you say 'bad timing award'? I don't want to be the bad guy here...

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TottWriter · 30/05/2010 17:02

I've always had a really good relationship with my Dad. He and my mum separated when I was about 8, and since then I've gotten on with him a lot better than I have with my mum, who has her toxic, controlling moments.

I'll admit I put my Dad on a pedestal when I was growing up - he was the polar opposite to me of my mother, who was (and sorta still is) controlling and manipulative. My dad is about as passive as they come, and friendly. The trouble is, he is also completely unreliable, which is something it has taken me years to appreciate, after denying any of his faults just because my mum pointed them out first.

Up until November, he worked abroad a lot of the time, so I didn't see that much of him. It was a shame, but there wasn't much we could do. When he was in the country, he tried to see us a fair bit, but he was seing quite a time-demanding woman. I can't drive, so relied on him coming round in order to see him, which often meant a lot of reminding him - his memory is pretty poor and always has been.

The thing is, it's gotten to the point where I need to tell him that saying he's going to call and arrange something and then leaving it until 20 minutes before he planned to pick us up isn't good enough. My DS is only 2y/o and we need more warning than that, especially since my Dad is late to rise, late to bed, and visits at his house often end up dragging out way past my DS's bedtime. But a few months ago he started seeing someone else, who he's really hit it off with, and they're planning to move in together in the autumn. She has two children of her own, twins, and one of them is disabled. I like my Dad's new partner just fine - she's a lovely woman and I'm glad he's got someone to be happy with - and I have no problem whatosever with him taking on her children. I just worry that it's going to seem like I do if I start laying down boundaries now, when for the last two years I've just left it and left it, and kept my frustration to myself.

I'm 33wks pregnant, too, so I know that shortly routine and such are going to be even more important, and I'm sick of him saying that he's going to call and organise something and then forgetting. Over the last couple of months there have been several occasions where we put plans on hold waiting for him to confirm something, only for him to not call at all, and leave us hanging around for an entire day. My DS is still young enough that he doesn't notice, but I don't want him to grow up feeling let down, especially since I know there's no malice behind it (he really does just have an utterly hopeless memory, which I have inherited in part) and when he's around, we have a great time.

It doesn't help that my DP has depression, and anxiety issues, and needs time to mentally prepare for seeing other people and visiting my Dad's house. It puts him under a lot of stress to not know what's happening, which is why I need to say something to my Dad. I just don't know how to do it without making it sound like it is because of his new relationship, when it isn't. I'm kinda hoping his new partner can help him be more organised, but at the moment, she's still only seing him at weekends, which means his house is a bit upside down where they're camped out there.

There's more, I'm sure, but this is getting long enough as it is. Does anyone have any advice? I don't want to hurt his feelings, and I don't want to just blurt it all out, because, quite rightly, he'll probably wonder why I've never said anything before, and think it's to do with his partner and her children. The timing does make it look like that, but if I leave it any longer I'll have two children to worry about when he makes plans.

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Jux · 30/05/2010 18:21

I think you could start off by saying that you're about to have another baby, he's about to become a ft step dad and so things are going to change all round.

That makes it look like you're aware that things are going to change for him too.

Tell him about your dh, explain that he needs to psych himself up for visitors and so on.

Ask him if he knows how much time he'll have for you and your family. Ask him how he'd like to organise it; just him, him and his partner, him, partner and kids. Is he envisaging nice days out for the whole lot of you, or more intimate ones for you and yours.

Things are changing drastically, and if you go gently, always asking him about what he thinks/feels etc every step of the way, at the same time outlining clearly what you need, then you should be OK.

superfrenchie1 · 30/05/2010 23:05

i think actions speak louder than words here.

next time your dad calls and says he'll be round in 20 mins - say firmly that actually you have plans for today, but how about 10am next saturday.

next time he's visiting you and it starts getting late, just explain that it's your ds's bedtime and you're really sorry but you'll have to call it a night because you have lots of things to do.

i don't think a big confrontation is necessarily a good idea, i think it would be more effective to start to change things and make them better for you and your family by being assertive (but still friendly)

this worked for me - my parents used to eat meals at weird times eg they'd invite us for "Sunday lunch" and the roast wouldn't appear til 4pm, while my dcs had just been snacking since mid-morning and not had any proper lunch, and either ate the roast at 4 and spoiled their appetites for their evening meal, or (more likely) didn't feel hungry at 4pm and so went all day without a proper meal - anyway i started sitting the dcs down at the table at 1pm and ostentatiously giving them some proper lunch, and then saying that they did not have to sit up at the table at 4pm when the adults were having the roast - not ideal but definitely worked and i was able to explain firmly to my parents that (my) children need to eat at lunchtime... not so important now they're older but when they were, like, 2 and 5 it was more important...

also, dont start from a negative place but start from a positive place - "hey dad wouldnt it be great if we had a picnic every saturday" (or whatever) to build in more routine. start throwing dates around and taking responsibility - arrange trips and parties in advance and demonstrate good planning behaviours to your dad, so that he has no choice but to go along with it.

anyway good luck!

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