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What to expect after an affair

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catwalker · 19/05/2010 15:20

There are a few other threads in similar vein but I didn't want to hijack anyone else's so thought I would start another.

I posted on here a few months ago when I found out about my husband's affair. Since then I've read most of the threads about affairs and taken lots of comfort from some of the excellent advice - particularly from WWIFN. It's been particularly helpful to find out that there seems to be a fairly typical response pattern to finding out about a partner's infidelity.

For me I spent about a week totally numb with shock, followed by anger, denial, unbelievable pain, feelings of worthlessness, self-loathing, anxiety, waves of nausea and panic etc etc. We had the 'hysterical bonding' that people refer to. More recently I hit 'the wall' which WWIFN talks about and felt completely flat and depressed.

The most constant feeling throughout though has been disbelief. I thought my husband and I had a really good relationship, not to mention the fact that I didn't think there was time or opportunity for anyone else. I had zero suspicions so the bombshell, when it arrived, ripped my world apart. DH has done everything he can to try and convince me how much he loves me, what a terrible mistake he made, how OW meant nothing, how he'll do anything it takes to keep us together, we've had counselling etc etc. But here's the thing. The disbelief is now wearing off and the more I accept what he has done, the more I feel that, actually, I don't want to be with someone who could deceive me like that. I love him very much and he's generally a good husband and a great dad. I don't want to split up, but all I think about when I look at him at the moment is him having sex with the OW. There are reminders of his infidelity everywhere and I just can't get the images of him and her out of my head. I don't actually feel I have enough emotional energy left to invest in rebuilding a relationship which he has almost shattered with his selfish and crass behaviour - even if it was 'only once' in 18 years.

Is this a normal part of the post-affair process do you think? Or am I heading for the divorce courts?

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HappyWoman · 20/05/2010 15:27

catwalker i think you are trying to make sense of your own feelings for what happened. You sound sensible in that want the facts and i totally understand about wanting to see if the story adds up. I think i am guilty of this too.

I think too that my h found it easy because she was married too and told him she did not want to leave her h anyway.

I think what happened is they both got caught in the fantasy of it and for a while both believed they were destined to be together.

I believe, and i did finally convince h that she let her h find out to force the issue as it was becoming obvious my h was not prepared to leave us.
The timing was so predictable - we were on holiday and having a fantastic time - i think she wanted to cause as much upset for him and so her h found out.
It was then that the pressure really started to pile onto my h and he was 'trapped' for a while - not wanting to end it with ow (he was still enjoying it after all) but also not wanting to leave us - but also knowing that i would find out soon.
The pressure was really getting to him by then and that is when i really noticed him change - he was being pressured to choose - with hindsight he knows the balance changed then as she did not have the same risk as he did.
It did take him a long time to get his around all this too.

Trouble with 'the truth' is that it can be different for people especailly when dealing with feelings.

I suppose i take comfort in the fact that i dont believe he was just 'stringing' her along - at the time he did believe he wanted to leave and if he with hindsight told me he did not enjoy that time (at the time) i would think he was very calous indeed.

countingto10 · 20/05/2010 16:17

These posts have helped to clear my head a bit. I think I have to look at the reasons why I want to know - btw he volunteered the "thinking of me to ejeculate" as soon as I found out what he was up to, for some reason he felt compelled to tell me .

The sexual side is the one thing he is extremely reluctant to talk about - I did broach the subject again this am and said I thought one of the reasons he was reluctant to talk was because he didn't want to admit some things to himself. I don't think the sex was particularly spectacular but he did admit this morning that for the first couple of weeks of the full affair (after he left me) that he probably instigated it. I think this is the crux of the problem - he left me for OW so I cannot believe he wasn't getting something out of it, initially if nothing else. As the affair went on, the more the guilt kicked in, the more he missed me and the DC, the more his life was imploding, the more volatile she became, the more he avoided sex with her (pretending to be asleep etc).

I think I might get him to read some of the responses on here so he can get a idea of what sort of details I want. Our therapist likened me wanting to know the details to post match analysis (after a football/cricket match which my DH thoroughly enjoys) and I have also told him about the jigsaw with the pieces missing.

I also suppose a lot of it is to do with my own self-esteem which was wrecked to pieces when he left me for her. I know it was about him and not me but it still hurts like hell.

It is great to talk/post to people who have been through it/going through it, to know we are perfectly normal and encounter the same issues eg hitting "the wall" etc. And we definitely need something like "Beyond Affairs" over here, running seminars, support groups etc - definite gap in the market, WWIFN if you're not too busy....

MrsJellicle · 20/05/2010 21:47

I agree totally with your idea of a support group. It was such an incredible relief to me to find threads like this on MN, especially as I had made the decision not to tell RL friends and family and get any support that way. WWIFN - ever since I first started to read your posts, i thought that you should write up your wonderful advice into a book.

In contrast to you and others, though, I don't want my dh to tell me every detail about the sexual encounters he has had - partly because sadly, I know full well he enjoyed them and cannot realistically hope that he will say that they were rubbish and that he was thinking of me all along anyway.

One thing that has been bothering me recently is that since my most recent discovery, my dh has been being the 'ideal husband' along the same lines described above. Thoughtful, kind, considerate, helpful, attentive, understanding etc etc. In many respects it's frustrating to see the husband I could have had all along, with a bit of effort! And we have a lovely holiday booked for half term. But I just don;t feel able to be happy and affectionate with him, and I can't seem to say "I love you" anymore - it just gets stuck in my throat, whereas i used to say it all the time. I donn't seem able to be my proper, fun self around him, I suppose because subconsciously I want him to see the pain and distress he has caused.

I wanted to ask other people who have been through similar things (and I realise that i am in bit of an 'extreme' situation that you may not want to identify with and I apologise for that) when they felt able to reciprocate love and affection and 'fun' again with their dp/dh? Was there a turning point? Did you fake it until it started to feel natural again?

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 20/05/2010 23:07

Thank you Mrs.Jellicle for those lovely words.

I have written on here about hysterical bonding. I had never seen this term until I found it on a link kindly provided by another Mumsnetter. I would never have imagined this possible previously, but to my amazement I was able to kiss, cuddle and have very emotional sex with my H the day after discovery. It had been a day like no other - and one I would never like to re-live, but it felt right somehow.

So pretty instantly, our physical relationship became very intense and urgent and more or less remained like that ever since. It has never felt false or unreal. We both wondered why this was happening and my H talked about it to his counsellor, who said it was a common reaction and was a process of "re-claiming" eachother. I had worried that I was finding my H much more attractive because evidently someone else did too, but I don't think that explains why it has lasted this long.

Nowadays I think that it's happened because there are absolutely no secrets and our communication is so much better. It has definitely been an unexpected gift in all this, although I would say that sex had always been very important to both of us throughout our relationship anyway.

There have been times when I have been so angry or sad and felt more like hitting him than having sex, of course.

Counting and MrsJellicle I would love to write a book, or even a series of articles, but I have absolutely no idea how to go about doing so, without revealing my identity. As stated before, very few people know about this in RL and although our children do, I would want to protect them (and us) from the world knowing our business. I wouldn't feel I would have to be anonymous if I could write about infidelity and relationships generally, but I don't know how I could get readers to accept my credentials, since I'm not a therapist and therefore, how would I know all this?

Any knowledge any of you have got about publishing or indeed any other ideas would be most welcome, as I'd love to write about this.

Also wanted to say Mrs.Jellicle, I find your insights really helpful and I'm so pleased you post on threads like this. I'm glad the counselling is proving to be helpful to you.

I was inordinately pleased too Karmann that your H is going for counselling. That's a tremendously healing gesture towards you, I think, because I know that it was something your H would never have entertained in the past. Think some solo counselling would be great for you too Counting, especially as you enter the second year. You may have seen on another thread that my H's counsellor wouldn't see me, but recommended someone for me to see. I finally felt the need to in January, but unfortunately she wasn't a good fit for me at all and I left each of the four sessions with her, feeling very small and a bit silly, as she was a bit of a cold fish.

It also became obvious pretty quickly that she was one of those counsellors who believe that affairs are only a symptom of an unhappy marriage and her dubious face when I tried to explain what was true for my situation, only contributed to the feelings of feeling diminished by her intervention. I felt she was doing me more harm than good and I ceased the arrangement. This hasn't put me off counselling at all though, especially as on the whole, my H's counsellor was good for him.

Sorry you're feeling a bit at sea Happy Woman. I remember once telling you that when you wobble, it makes me worry! I hope you get some peace of mind, what ever is troubling you at the moment.

Wordweaver · 20/05/2010 23:24

Whenwilli, sorry to hijack slightly, but I work in publishing and know a publisher who might consider in working on something like this with you - he publishes 'how to' books on all different subjects, and it might be worth having a chat to him at least, to see if he's a) interested or b) has some ideas about how to be anonymous to some extent. Would you be interested?

Karmann · 20/05/2010 23:30

WWIFN - would it be possible to write under an assumed name?

I'm so pleased he's having counselling too - he has always run away from situations in the past but is now facing up to things and addressing the flaw in his character. I still struggle sometimes wondering how to cope but I just think it will take time, although it's on my mind less and less. At least now we are both going about it in a much more constructive way. He wrote me a letter (most unlike him) and it was amazing to read. It must be the first time he has actually put it into words.

Until recently he's wanted to just pretend it never happened but is starting to talk about it now. I can't quite get my head round it but I was strangely relieved to hear it was purely a sexual arrangement - I think that may be because there was no emotional attachment. Not sure if that makes sense or not. He's been obsessed with sex for years and has never had any boundaries.

A support group sounds like a great idea to me.

Hope you don't mind me writing this on your thread catwalker.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/05/2010 01:18

Oh thank you Wordweaver. Yes, I'd be really interested in that. Not sure though how you can put us in touch as I'm not registered for CAT? Yes, I've thought about the assumed name, but not having a clue about publishing generally, wasn't sure in these days of marketing and publicity, how that would allow me to protect my identity.

Great to hear from you Karmann and it really does sound as though you are making headway, as is your H. Keep posting.

Catwalker, I re-read your last post and meant to say earlier, that this resonated with me:

"I find it extremely disturbing to think I am married to someone who could create a situation which resulted in his children witnessing a violent and foul-mouthed tirade from the husband of his bit on the side."

In the very early days after discovery, when OW was claiming she had told her H, I feared terribly for our personal safety. I kept imagining an angry H was going to turn up at the house and expose our DCs to an ugly scene. OW was also hysterical when my H ended it and appeared to be deranged with grief, texting and phoning all the time - and sending great tomes on E mails. She told my H that her H had hit her when she had revealed all, but as was her wont, promptly forgot this lie and said in an E mail that in fact her H had been completely understanding.

We didn't know what to believe. We now have good reason to think that in fact she never did tell her H, but in those early days when it felt like new information was arriving all the time when I was still in shock, I tended to take everything at face value and believe all I was hearing.

I remember really fearing for our safety and this made me incredibly angry that my H had exposed us to this. It all added to the feelings of utter disbelief - how on earth could this be happening to us?

Later on, OW started posting really nasty stuff on the internet, including some horrible stuff about our young DD, whom she had never met. My H's instinct then was to drive to her house and confront her, even if it meant blowing her cover with her H and putting him at risk of the H's anger. I was undecided about this, fearing that this might set off a chain of events that would expose the whole situation, something I really wouldn't have been comfortable with at that time. It also felt like we were going to be in the middle of a Jeremy Kyle type of scenario and I find those sort of dramatics repugnant.

We decided to consult H's counsellor, who was of the view that OW was behaving like a tantrumming child and that she was best ignored. She also felt that any contact with the OW should be by both of us, so that she could see we were acting as a team. Overall though, she advised against it, unless there were repeated attacks.

Again though, I felt renewed anger that I had been exposed to the deranged and vicious rantings of this appalling woman and I reacted with venom and disgust at my H for his terrible judgement. The counsellor thought this was quite normal, but pointed out that this was just what the OW wanted, to drive a wedge between us. She made some allegations too on these sites that fortunately, I was able to completely disprove and this helped me to treat her words with derision - and to see her agenda.

Even though I could see the sense of what the counsellor was saying at the time, we both feel with hindsight that we got this wrong and that my H should have challenged the OW. It would certainly have brought me some closure and I still feel angry about her attack on a defenceless and wholly innocent child.

So I understand why you feel so very angry about what your H exposed you to. I suspect that violent angry scenes have mercifully been rare occurrences in your life and you must have been in shock about this as much as anything. It must have been horrible for you.

Wordweaver · 21/05/2010 01:58

WWIFN, neither am I (registered for CAT). The only thing I can think of is to open an email account just for this, post it on here, you email me with your email address and then I will close the email account and email you from my normal account. It all seems very cloak and dagger, but might that work?

AnyFucker · 21/05/2010 07:18

wwifn...why are you resisting registering for CAT ?

your email addy is not shared unless you decide to, even when someone contacts you

Lucy85 · 21/05/2010 09:09

Catwalker, I am 2 weeks into this process (you probably read my thread). I efel exactly like you do now - how dare he so callously treat me and his baby's security and happiness; how could he continue with it for a fuckin' year etc. Also I have asked in detail for everything that went on and yes it twists the knife.

I too have been through the shakes and endless crying and am now too tired to cry. I wake up at 5 am worrying about my job and my marriage and trying to think of a way I can stabilise my future - somehow.
I have ordered the book everyone on here reccommended but it has not arrived yet.

Bizarrely, our relationship has been a lot better since I found out, we have talked more and H has decided he wants to continue with me. Since he's made an effort it's been much better.

However I cannot bear the thought of him touching me sexually at the moment, like you I just can't get the thought of him with OW out of my mind. Plus I don't have any proof other than confirmation it's over from both of them.

Don't know if this helps but over the last 2 weeks I have felt:

  1. gutted - painful, heart-wrenching sobs that sound like an animal
  2. despairing
  3. lonely
  4. Abandonded
  5. Insecure
  6. desperate
  7. triumphant (I 'won', I got him back )
  8. Angry
  9. Empty
10. Disgusted 11. Embarrassed 12. Ashamed 13. A failure 14. Sad 15. Exhausted and wanting to ignore it 16. Overwhelmed 17. Helpless 18. Like I don't care about anything

So, I guess if that's the first 2 weeks, the next few months will be fun...not.

However I think the only possible way through this right now is viewing it as a totally new start, however I still can't see sex as part of that right now - hopefully that will come as previous posters have said.

I'm sorry you're hurting, and I know exactly how you feel - sending you a hug and a cuppa!

catwalker · 21/05/2010 10:39

Lucy - thank you. I think the best think about Mumsnet is that you can post when you feel the need to. One of the problems I am having is that any external professional help means talking about things when I don't necessarily want to. Counselling sessions don't necessarily tie in with when I feel the need to spill my guts and have sometimes left me feeling like someone has reopened a wound which was starting to heal. Last night I was so overwhelmed with anxiety, anger and a complete inability to comprehend dh's thought processes and why he was able to be so careless and thoughtless with our relationship and the happiness of his children. So overwhelmed was I that I thought I really need to see a doctor to get some medication to take the edge of everything (I've firmly resisted this so far). If I could have gone last night I would have done willingly. But this morning I just can't face walking into a surgery and telling someone what has happened - especially as I'd probably get one of the gps who has known me and my family for the last 20 years. I've told very very few people what happened and I've realised that the few I have told, I'm now avoiding because I feel humiliated and ashamed of what has happened.

I'm going to go and have your kindly offered cuppa now!

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/05/2010 10:52

Thanks Wordweaver, I'll have a think about that. And thanks AF, I hadn't realised that.

Recognise a lot of what Lucy says and especially the animal howling, the irrational shame and also Catwalker's avoidance of people who know. Likewise I didn't want to dull the feelings with ADs and my GP would have also been pretty useless. Herbal remedies might be worth a try though, especially "rescue remedy"?

Catwalker how is your H's counselling going? Have you stopped counselling for you then?

Are you allowing yourself to vent your feelings with him when they come?

catwalker · 21/05/2010 11:10

WWIFN - I've had a few counselling sessions but am not finding it particularly useful. I think dh finds his counselling helpful.

Yes I vent my feelings with him - that's the problem. I can't control my emotions at the moment. DH says I'm obsessive and getting worse and that I'm deliberately making myself worse by going over things again and again - embellishing the whole thing and making it worse than it really was each time I do it. Sometimes he says I'm doing it to make him suffer; sometimes he says I'm doing it to make myself suffer. He said to me this morning that I shouldn't use Mumsnet as it's feeding my obsession.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/05/2010 12:08

Hmm....I'm feeling a bit cross with your H actually. Of course it's an obsession for you, what does he reasonably expect? As you've learned from us here, it's entirely normal that you feel this way, want to know all the details and need to go over it again and again with him. I do hope his counsellor has experience of infidelity and is telling him that this is what he should expect - and to have patience and empathy. I would say he's not in the right place yet, Catwalker.

It might be worth telling him that I was exactly the same as you for the six months before I joined Mumsnet. I think his take on this site should be that if it helps you to normalise your feelings, it is a good thing.

You are only three months down the line, aren't you? Goodness me, this obsession is likely to go on for much longer than this, I assure you. It's as well he realises this.

Can he possibly reverse this and imagine how he'd feel? I accept how we think we would feel and how we do are often entirely different things, because I wold never have believed how much this would have affected me, but he needs a lot of patience and understanding here.

I'm afraid that the "it's not good for you" approach often means "I don't want to face up to this" and the scepticism about Mumsnet might also be that some of us may have hit a nerve with his comfortable self-delusions. The thing is Catwalker, you are a bright intelligent woman who would be feeling like this anyway - and would have loads of questions - with or without Mumsnet.

Take your support from where ever feels right for you. It's a shame the counselling isn't providing the help you perhaps need, are you going to persevere with it?

Lucy85 · 21/05/2010 13:16

animal howling. Yay for mumsnet! Worse than labour in my book, I didn't utter a peep when that happened!

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