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Worried about my sister, very withdrawn, finds social situations hard, indifference to everything

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BertieBotts · 18/05/2010 00:42

Sorry, I really had no idea where to put this. I know that posters on this topic often have knowledge of psychology etc and I wondered if anyone could help.

My mum and I are getting quite worried about my sister. She is 19 and ever since she left school a year ago, has become more and more withdrawn and possibly depressed - she can't be very happy at least, she does nothing all day and has no interests and never seems to see any friends etc.

As a child she was always shy - I was outspoken which probably didn't help, but e.g. if we went to a cafe, my DM would get us to speak to the cashier and order our own cake or drink or whatever, to try and get my DSis to come out of her shell. She used to refuse to speak to them and go without instead.

Every question you ask her she says "I don't know" or "I don't mind" - even simple things like "Would you like a cheese or tuna sandwich?" when DM asked about this she says that she literally has no preference between two options nearly all the time and so doesn't know which one to pick. In conversation she says that she is talking to someone and suddenly realises it is her turn to speak and panics and doesn't know what to say. This doesn't seem "right" to me - in a conversation I am listening to the other person's response and thinking about that while simultaneously constructing my reply as I think up questions etc or what they have said reminds me of something. DM agreed with me on this (I don't know about others? I suppose I just took it for granted that everyone did this.)

At school she had a few friends but they were all very quiet, like her, and they very rarely went out shopping or bowling or to the cinema or to each others' houses or anything - literally only about once every few weeks would they meet up outside of school. She never went out drinking etc, which I know is a perfectly fine choice and isn't really a concern, but it is atypical of most people her age. After school she lost touch with everyone and now has very few friends, in fact she never meets up with her friends at all. She comes to see me and DS about once a week. We get on great and when she is with me, she is funny, intelligent, animated, relaxed, she is great with DS. I'd say we were close and I'd call her a friend as much as a sister, but we have never really discussed anything emotional or been able to cry with each other etc.

But if you see her in a social situation with strangers or even when she was with her friends from school, she looks awkward and uncomfortable, she doesn't know what to so with her hands, she twists her feet and just generally does not appear relaxed.

We hadn't really been worried about her when she was at school, yes she was quiet and not your typical teenager, but we just thought that was her personality, but now she has left school she is not doing anything at all and we are concerned because she is going to need to find a job or something at some point. She is supposed to be looking for a job at the moment, but she gets as far as getting the application form and then as soon as it asks an open ended question she is stuck and finds it very very difficult. She has been offered help from various sources and she just won't take it. She lives at home with DM and DM has been told by various people "Oh just take her somewhere and get her a job" - but she can't exactly go into a job interview with her! But also being aware that she can't stay claiming JSA for ever, and worrying that the longer she leaves it, the harder it is going to be for her to make that first step.

I don't think it's laziness that she isn't getting a job, because she has never been lazy, always been more organised with homework etc for example than me, it seems to be something else stopping her - I don't know, fear or just not knowing how to do it, but she won't seem to accept any help.

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werewolf · 18/05/2010 00:58

Your sister must have had a tough time when she was younger. I find it hard to believe that your mother would let your sister go without at a cafe, just because she was too shy to ask .

Is your mother quite a dominant personality?

MrsSawdust · 18/05/2010 01:16

I echo werewolf's thoughts on the cafe scenario.

I also think that it's quite normal to be socially 'awkward' and painfully shy - lots of people are. And I don't think this in itself should be a cause for concern. No, not everybody listens and thinks of questions / follow ups etc while in conversation with a stranger. Some people find this sort of thing torture because they do not know how to respond to strangers. Lucky you for finding small talk so easy.

What you should be (and of course are) concerned about is her unemployment. If it's her shyness that's holding her back then perhaps she should seek some kind of counselling or assertiveness training. Or could it be that she simply doesn't know what she wants to do or hasn't the confidence to do it. You say that the two of you get on well, and that she is funny and intelligent. Have you asked her what she really wants to do with her life, given no barriers? Find out what her dream profession is (given that she isn't good with people, maybe working with animals? Or something creative? She's good with your ds, is she good with all children?) and show her the pathways into it. Be gentle and encouraging. Help her to believe in herself. Don't make her feel inadequate, or compare her to you.

ScaredOfCows · 18/05/2010 07:44

Does she ever stay with you for a week or two? I wonder if she might need a break from her normal 'routine' at home with your DM, perhaps become involved in something else, like caring for her nephew, to give her the space to make some changes?

BertieBotts · 18/05/2010 11:50

No, my DM isn't dominant at all! It was something she tried in desparation to see if a reward would help her to speak up. Most of the time her overall feeling was that she would grow out of this "shyness" when she was ready. Our Dad was worse and used to put her on the spot in social situations and ask her questions and ban her from saying "I don't know" etc. (Parents were divorced so he wasn't a daily influence)

I hadn't thought of inviting her to stay for a week - I only live at the other side of town so it hadn't occured to me. We used to go and stay with our Dad, sometimes for a week at a time, and I don't know whether that changed anything at all.

Lots of people have tried to help her find out what it is she wants to do as a job/career, yes she likes working with animals (did work experience at a cattery) and would probably enjoy it, but she didn't want to be a vet because of the medical/surgical side and so didn't really know where to go from there. Also something creative, yes she is interested in textiles, but there is nothing that she is enthusiastic about. Sometimes she sees little projects etc that she wants to do, but then doesn't because she says that she doesn't have anyone to make them for. I suggested she sell them on ebay or etsy or something, and she momentarily seemed to consider it but then just shrugged and said "Maybe". I don't know what is stopping her - I pointed out that it would be good practice even if she only covered the cost of her materials. She is good with DS but isn't interested in childcare generally. It's just hard because every time you suggest something that might help she doesn't follow up on it. And yet occasionally she does something completely unprompted which is amazing - like a few years ago, she applied to go on one of those CBBC "serious mountain" or whatever series it was. And she signed up to the Joshua Foundation thing with school (which is where 6th formers raise money for the charity and when they raise enough they go out to Australia and do conservation work) - so travel and/or conservation work etc might be something she is interested in, but I don't know where she could start looking at stuff like that, or whether it would even be possible, due to the cost etc. But I had not thought of that, so thank you for getting me thinking

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werewolf · 18/05/2010 14:15

Oh, ok. It's just that I was shy as a child and I would have resented that sort of approach. You do get desperate as a parent sometimes though, don't you.

What about being a veterinary nurse/start her own cattery?

Could she get a referral from her GP to see a counsellor or hypnotherapist to help her with social issues?

BigHairyLeggedSpider · 19/05/2010 12:41

She sounds like a very caring very shy person. Perhaps she overthinks things when offered a choice "what SHOULD I have" rather than "What do I WANT". Sounds to me like she's sort of put herself on ice because she's cripplingly scared of making the wrong choices or them going wrong or failing, so she never starts them.

As a job seeker there are plenty of opportunities for voluntary work out there. Animal shelters, rescue centres, youth clubs, BTCV for practical conservation work, wildlife trusts you name it. There are also long term voluntary schemes she can join.

I'd say lay right off her finding a job/getting social life and discourage our family from pointing out what's wrong with her life, and gently encouraging her to try out the voluntary sector. She'll find something she likes and build up her skills and self confidence soon enough. You'd rather she takes a little more time and unfurls into life slowly into a confident person at ease with herself, than retire into herself and end up a crazy cat lady.

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