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YOU magazine - Wanting a baby when your marriage is in crisis ?

49 replies

RachD · 04/08/2005 12:09

Has anyone seen the columnist - can't remember what her name is,
She writes for the Mail on Sunday, YOU magazine, on the back page.

The topic is her marriage.
I know I shouldn't care, but I read her page every week, without fail.
And it makes me really sad because I don't think her husband treats her well at all.
Yet she talks about having a baby.
Surely this is not wise.

Do other feel sorry for her, or is it just me being silly.

Do lots of people deliberatly have a baby even though their marriage is in crisis ?

What do you think ?

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TinyGang · 04/08/2005 12:27

I've read her. Actually I find her a bit annoying and superficial, if indeed it is all really true. If it is she's playing a dangerous game, to write a weekly detailed artical about her marriage problems. It's not as though he can put his point across - although I guess they would have discussed that before she started the column.

Was she not talking about adopting a baby at one point? I doubt that babies can stick a failing relationship together for long, unless the lack of one was the only reason it was failing in the first place.

RachD · 04/08/2005 12:48

Tinygang - I can't believe she writes it either. And like you say, he is unable to comment.

Why does she stand for him ?
And I know this really iS judgemental, but how can she even contemplate a child ??

Mind you lots of people fall pregnant knowing their relationship won't last, don't they ?

I feel guilty, because, Just because my relationship with dh is very loving, doesn't mean I should allow myself to judge her.

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Listmaker · 04/08/2005 12:57

I read her some times and always wonder if it's just all made up. How can that in any way help your marriage if it is all true? I'd be mortified if my partner was writing about us in a national magazine. It's got to be made up surely!

Prufrock · 04/08/2005 13:00

It's one of the reasons I buy the Mail - I like to get all fired up about the crap they spout - kind of a know your enemy thing (and dh has to get it to read the personal finance bits and see whether his clients are recommending his funds). Liz Jones column is one of the things that regularly has me spluttering into my coffee.
And I think you can judge her, because she puts her viewpoints out into the public domain. It's not like judging a celeb when you don't really know what they think - La Jones is more than happy to tell us her POV, so I'm more than happy to criticise it.

She was in last nights Evening Standard writing about having looked after a friends 3 kids for the day (badly - didn't bother to find out whether the youngest was on solids, and fed them chocolate and baked beans from the tin) and - fortunately for any putative kids she might have had - came to the conclusion she was too selfish to be a parent. I think it's the only time I've agreed with her.

puddle · 04/08/2005 13:01

Is she Liz someone? Married a man younger than her? If so there was another excruciating article on the Standard last night where she 'borrowed' a friend's three children for a day, to help her decide on having kids. Her level of self-obsession is embarrassing.

bundle · 04/08/2005 13:03

OMG Prufrock, that's her???

chonky · 04/08/2005 13:04

Wasn't Liz Jones the really annoying journo who wrote a column for Sunday Times Style a couple of years back about her plans for her impending wedding? OMG she is highly irritating if it's the same woman.

TinyGang · 04/08/2005 13:06

Does she write about anything other than herself then? I could do that...

Actually she'd drive me nuts to live with - no wonder her dh keeps finding excuses to dive off somewhere!

RachD · 04/08/2005 13:13

She has no self worth at all.
I love your comment Prufrock , "I think it's the only time I've agreed with her" - thats how I feel.

I even considered e-mailing her. I think she thinks having a baby will
a)save her marriage
b) is simple, and easy, like going for a meal in her local bio-de-grade-able - restaurant.

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RachD · 04/08/2005 13:17

My dh cringes, every time I tell my bf anything about our relationship.
Imagine how her husband ( unable to call him a dh!!!) feels.
as listmaker says - no one could cope with having their marraige so laid out in the open, surely ?

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oliveoil · 04/08/2005 13:52

She is v high maintenance, maybe that's why hubby is off to India for 3 months (why do I know so much about this bloody woman???!!!!).

She wrote once about wiping cartons before putting them in the fridge so as not to contaminate with germs and dirt etc. Can you imagine her weaning a baby????!!!!!

Prufrock · 04/08/2005 13:58

And did you know she didn't tell her dh how old sh was until the day before the wedding - she'd knocked 10 years off whilst they were dating -though God knows how he'd believed her

oliveoil · 04/08/2005 14:07

I know. He sounds like a bit of a layabout though.

How sad are we!

bundle · 04/08/2005 14:08

oliveoil, prufrock, it's v therapeutic having such a woman to form a common bond between us/against her. snigger

RachD · 04/08/2005 14:08

I saw the advert for the OCD programme - has it been on yet ?

And I mean this is good taste - I mean with respect to anyone with OCD, but she really deseves her own OCD programme , doesn't she.

If she farted, she might hopefully, blow herself up, in shock.

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oliveoil · 04/08/2005 14:10

My MIL gets the Mail and when we go round the first thing I do is read this column. She seems to regret working so hard and putting everything on hold, babies etc.

Fio2 · 04/08/2005 14:10

pmsl

even though i dont reuglarly buy the mail on sunday (only if it has one of those awful free cd's I buy it) i have often thought the same. She really is MAD isnt she and not in a nice way

RachD · 04/08/2005 14:13

And did you notice that she isn't even letting hubby go to India for 3 months - she's going to for part of it.

He's probably thinking, how many books do I need to write/sell: where do I need to go, to get rid of her.

India will probably send her insane, with everything not perfect all the time- insanity being a small step !

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oliveoil · 04/08/2005 14:13

Oh yes that's right, she is off to some spa or other first.

ScummyMummy · 04/08/2005 14:17

Hasn't she learned anything about the perils of vapid journalistic self-disclosure from the marriage break ups of Katherine Flett and India Knight?
Must get a copy of the Daily Mail she sounds so wonderfully... hateable.

snafu · 04/08/2005 18:46

You must read it Scummy. I dive straight for her column in the MoS because she's so awful. And every week I'm so tempted to email her and tell her to get a life, and a grip, and a personality that doesn't revolve around facials, handbags and her sodding cats. She is utterly self-absorbed and frighteningly high-maintenance.

I feel terribly sorry for her husband. I think the poor chap deserves a lot more than three months in India.

TinyGang · 04/08/2005 18:54

Lol Snafu Ahhh...the sainted 'Squeaky' whom she obviously has more time for than the dh!

She is compulsive reading though, if only to satify my incredulity that she has managed to top the previous weeks litany of self obsessions

Prufrock · 04/08/2005 18:55

Aahh you see - Liz Jones brings all you closet DM readers out....

snafu · 04/08/2005 18:58

Ahem. I don't buy it, Prufrock, it belongs to my father. Honest.

RachD · 04/08/2005 20:58

oh no, snafu, I buy it. Get eithdrawl symptons when I go on holiday. Hersa is the first colum I turn to. I just can't get enough of it.

And each week I wonder if I am going to be more shocked than the previous week.

First she started mentioning adopting.

Then she went to the fertility doctor for herbs, whilst hiding this from her husband.

I , honestly felt PHYSICALLY sick, when I read this. I thought... I have to tell her that a child is not a toy, to be shut away in her perfectly colour co-ordinated wardrobe, when she gets bored.

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