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I think I just need reassurance

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partytime · 11/05/2010 19:15

I have posted before about the breakdown of my very happy marriage due to my stbexh 3 year affair.

I have received fantastic advice from MN and learned about aspects of my ex's treatment of me that I hadn't been able to understand, e.g. his gaslighting me, NPD,

I thought as so many do that affairs happened when someone was unhappy or dissatisfied, but having read posts by WWIFN and others, I now realise that this isn't necessarily the case.

So here I am 6 or 7 months on from him leaving to be with OW, whom he says he loves, but still loves me as well.

I miss him terribly, as I am still in love with him, despite all he has done, and I tell myself that I deserve better.

But it is so hard, he is a good man who loves deeply but has chosen a different path.

Please could someone give me the reassurance I need to see that I will get over this in time and be happy again.

I have two DC at University who I am very proud of, and they bring great joy in my life but a part of me is missing.

I feel old, ugly and worthless, that no one will love me again and I will be alone forever.

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maybees · 11/05/2010 23:22

We have so much in common PT ,my biggest thing is knowing that only ME can truly make ME happy and I have to find my own path to contentment.Thru this journey I have found that peace in my head is so precious .Everyday I take time to stop and stare[like the poem says],like today there was a double rainbow in the sky and i showed the kids and took a photo
Never under estimate the power of negativity.
A negative thought is about 5 times stronger than a positive thought eg if you get a haircut and and 5 people say it looks great we always remember the one person that says what have you done to your hair.
Staying positive can be hard work but try and do something that just gives you some pleasure and makes you laugh.Its all about nourishing PT do something tomorrow ,book a massage ,hot stones .Rid yourself of some of your toxins honey .I do believe it is like releasing the poison.We have felt so much distress and now we will be center stage in our new kick ass production .WE ARE STARS...WE DESERVE TO SHINE xxxx

partytime · 11/05/2010 23:37

I know it is down to me to make my life more fulfilling, especially hard as I have so much time and no direction.

I like the idea of getting rid of the 'toxins', maybe when I am at the gym next I will book a treatment.

My pleasure today was to sit in the sun, although chilly, looking at my beautiful garden that I have spent hours weeding over the last few days. Listening to the birds and relishing the quiet.

Then I realised, this is the negativity creeping in, that when I move I won't be able to afford a place as nice as this, with space, peace and quiet. That made me sad.

The injustice of what has happened and the situation I am in due to no fault of my own.

You are right these negative thoughts are so strong, I have to stop them taking over.

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maybees · 12/05/2010 00:01

You will find your way PT ,this is just what we have to deal with right now ,somedays it really sucks and other days we can be really proud that we kept on marching thru the storm.I dont think anyone in my RL appreciates what I have been dealing with cos im not really one to share but I know I have found this whole experience painful but empowering ,I have been forced to put myself first in order to survive basically[ if that doesnt sound too over dramatic].You are right re the INJUSTICE completely an absolutely right.I could swear and curse but whats the point ,much better to enjoy the Springtime and book a treatment .We deserve it x

ps Swear and curse and kick the crap out of something if it works for you PT but also include some indulgent relaxation ,thoroughly deserved x

partytime · 12/05/2010 08:05

Another beautiful morning, off to work now.

MAybees thanks for your support, have a good day.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 12/05/2010 10:49

Partytime, I've been thinking about you and your situation.

I think one of the reasons you are finding it so hard is that you have never had any understanding of why or how this awful thing happened to you. I often think in life, if we can find a reason why something happens, it helps us to process it by knowing what can be done to prevent it happening again.

The problem with what happened to you is that there was nothing you could have done to prevent your H's infidelity; only he could have done that and he chose not to. I believe you totally when you say that your marriage was happy and I believe your H when he reassures you of this too.

I've therefore wondered what it is about your H's character that led him to make that choice? I wonder whether he was ever tempted in the preceding 20 or so years and if so, what happened? Or was this actually the first time an opportunity presented itself and therefore he might always have been unfaithful if someone had tried hard enough?
What was he feeling about himself that made him vulnerable to an unsafe friendship?

You will know from everything you have read that affairs follow certain scripts. Your H's "script" seems to be that there was nothing wrong with you or your marriage, but that the OW was too special to resist. He didn't want to fall in love, but it happened and there was nothing much he could do about it....

This script is most commonly associated with the "romantic infidel".

Of course having read all you have read, you will know that there is a major flaw in that script, just as there is in the "my marriage was unhappy, therefore I sought comfort elsewhere" model.

The OW doesn't have special powers and he wasn't powerless to resist her. He might have genuine feelings for her, but what will he (or she) do when their relationship has settled into a kind of normality and someone else with these "special" qualities looms into view? If she is also following the same "romantic" script of why they got together, she is just as vulnerable as him to another romantic partner.

I understand very well why you cannot switch off your feelings of love for this man, especially when he is being belatedly kind and reassuring to you and evidently still cares for you.

So I wonder whether it might help you to get some of these answers from him, the ones that plague you and keep you awake at night?
Then after you have had some answers, explain that you need to move on and that for the time being at least, you cannot be friends with someone who has hurt you so grievously.

When I posted about gaslighting to our other distressed poster yesterday, I re-read the material before suggesting it. As I was reading, I thought of you. Don't under-estimate the effects of 3 years of gaslighting partytime. Have you explored this point with a counsellor - the effects this has had on your mental health? You might be expecting too much of yourself, too soon and measuring your recovery against someone who wasn't gaslighted, is younger and who wasn't in such a long relationship is counter-productive, because it makes you feel worse and that you should somehow be moving on before you are actually ready.

You have identified yourself that you are stuck and cannot move on. I don't think that's surprising in the least when I read what happened to you. I suspect it's a combination of severe damage based on the 3 years of gaslighting (you will note that the effect is to question everything about yourself and not just your marriage) allied to no understanding of why or how this happened.

You can't move on until you have dealt with those two issues; they are your sticking points. Now your H might be singularly hopeless at giving you answers, but your questions might help him think - and if he genuinely wants to help you - and in the process resolve some character traits in him that he might not want to confront, but will need to - he might just give you some peace of mind with his answers.

I know that others might think it's not going to help you if you continue to try to understand and analyse him, but in this case I have a feeling this might be good for you.

But the final part of the jigsaw for you is I think to get some help specifically about the effects of the gaslighting. You might need to find a counsellor who specialises in helping victims recover from this most pernicious form of emotional abuse.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 12/05/2010 11:55

Also wanted to add maybees that my post to partytime in no way seeks to diminish your own experience, or your recovery. I admire you enormously. I also don't know if you suffered from gaslighting as well. I just wanted to point out (and I think you acknowledged this very well downthread) that recovery is going to be different for someone coming out of a 25 year relationship, whose children are grown up and after suffering 3 years of gaslighting. However I think your advice about focusing on you now is brilliant.

partytime · 12/05/2010 17:46

WWIFN - thank you so much for thinking of and remembering me. Your advice as always has been most valuable and appreciated.

I have this week told him that I cannot be in contact anymore other than for legal reasons or concerning DC.

I have explained that it was an act of self preservation as he seemed surprised at 'why now?' and not all those many months ago.

I have tried so hard to be reasonable when we met or spoke on the phone but I find it impossible, also I don't wish to damage the relationship we do have any further.

In truth, I would love the answers to my questions as you have said, and feel they would help in my recovery. But I have asked again and again, he always says he doesn't know why, or shrugs his shoulders and says sorry without explanation.

With regard to the gaslighting, I had never heard the term until you pointed it out to me previously. I have since read a little on the internet about it.

I feel the main effect this had on me has been to undermine my confidence and self belief. I am a very well educated, independent, outgoing person but the doubt I now have about starting over, alone, in a new area (when we sell up) is all consuming.

That and my grief at my loss and the bitterness towards OW, who has taken over my life, slotted into position, will have all the perks of being my H partner.

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maybees · 12/05/2010 22:18

Partytime hope you had a good day .My day to day life has changed dramatically because I have worked on building my self esteem and therefore I can cope better with this bumpy road I am on and when I read your thread I wanted to share this with you because maybe a " positivity tune up" might help you through this tough time.
Arent Spring mornings wonderful!
There are so many positives when you write ,I know you will find your path to making your qualities flourish.I found counselling very helpful.But the positive versus negative thinking is just how i try and live my life now , I try and stay in the moment ,not think too far ahead.But that is just my way of coping ,I will try and continue to nourish myself and to heal and grow mentally and physically because that makes me happy.
Regarding self esteem; I am truly only on the first rung of the ladder, but I didnt even have a ladder before .
Hope you booked that pamper session at the gym x

maybees · 12/05/2010 22:22

Thanks for your support WWIFN x

partytime · 12/05/2010 22:48

Went to gym and booked manicure for next week but got home looked in diary and have double booked - never mind another time.

Very positive today, helps that I was busy with work. Sunshine is good too, but how I wish it would warm up a bit.

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AnyFucker · 12/05/2010 22:52

Saturday starts to look a bit warmer

partytime · 12/05/2010 22:55

Great news, I could do with a bit of colour in my cheeks, fed up with looking a bit pastey?? (sp)

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maybees · 12/05/2010 22:55

Glad to hear it PT,
Take Care x

partytime · 12/05/2010 22:58

MB thanks so much

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maybees · 12/05/2010 23:01

Chin up, Tits out!

I even told my counsellor that was our motto !

partytime · 12/05/2010 23:04

Can do the chin up, but tits out, ha, that's a feat that would only happen if I was surgically enhanced.

Never happy with them, one of my hang-ups!

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maybees · 12/05/2010 23:34

Oh lord you should see my underwear these days PARTY air bags, gel inserts , padding ,i need all the help i can get just to get them pointing in the same direction

partytime · 13/05/2010 07:20

lol - I'm just small all over, wish I was taller too...

...and had a firmer bum, flatter stomach, no grey hair, fewer wrinkly bits...

...sorry, keep forgetting I'm not 18 anymore.

But seriously, I'm afraid to say my age and appearance are big issues for me.

A lot of my sadness is due to me not seeing myself in a relationship as I am mid-40's, feel too old and unattractive.

My stbexh's OW is 8 years younger than me, not had kids either, she won't have wobbly bits.

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maybees · 13/05/2010 21:39

Counselling will help you with all of that body image stuff too PT and help to put things into perspective.I think going to the gym is cool and eating a healthy diet, low in saturated fats helps us to stay in shape(doesnt have to be manic i just have more knowledge about what goes in my trolley these days).IKWYM about our bodies changing cos we ve had kids but id rather have saggy boobies and a wobbily tummy ,i think it is a fair price to pay for the dcs.Nowadays i just think i should make the best of what ive got .Going to get my legs waxed 2morrow and lots of moisturising 2morrow nite.Do you get a chance to walk your dog in the countryside.I have a terrier and its great to go and get lost in the woods{up and down hills good for toning your muscles too }
Hope you had a good day !

ps i did polish off 4 mars bars for £1 one morning not that long ago with about 4 cups of coffee and a whole family dairy milk one friday evening in February ....but hey im only human

partytime · 13/05/2010 21:57

I have become so much more healthy and I think this is my way of dealing with my bad body image too.

Before H left and I was feeling very insecure, I began to gain weight, not a huge amount but heavy for me, I am only 5'2", I got to 10stone.

I had quit the gym about two years ago as well, in hindsight about the time I really became concerned about the possibility of the affair.

I was also drinking more than I should have, probably three or four bottles of wine a week.

But all the illness and stress since H left caused me to lose two stone at least.

Many people commented on how ill I looked and underweight, my GP began weighing me every month.

I have since gained about half a stone and have stopped the drinking apart from maybe a glass or two at the weekend (I don't like drinking alone)

I eat very healthily and always have done.

People have started to say how well I look and I do like my new reduced waistline and slimmer legs.

I hope to keep the weight off now but the main problem is that none of my clothes fit and I can't really afford to replace them.

I have just eaten a bunch of grapes followed by a few mini-rolls!!!

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ninah · 13/05/2010 22:05

I think you should buy a couple of things that fit you and you look good in
doesn't have to cost the earth, but well worth the outlay in terms of self esteem
just a nice pair of jeans and a white shirt would do it
fwiw I am 42, split up over ow 8 years younger too but no way am I over the hill

partytime · 13/05/2010 22:11

Thanks ninah, I know I'm not really over the hill but the rejection makes me feel 'what's wrong with me'.

This is silly because I know it wasn't my fault he left, I had done nothing wrong.

Just that people say 'oh you're a young woman, you will find someone else', but men are hardly forming queues at my door!!!

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maybees · 13/05/2010 22:30

I'm 40yo next year and feel I have so much still to discover,lots more people to meet lots more fun times to have ,lots more travelling to do !
I agree re some shopping,lots of bits and bobs out there not too expensive.Have fun shopping in places you havent been b4.I tend to buy a few bits to brighten old outfits up at this time of year ,and try on loads and loads of stuff.You sound just the right wt and shape PT cos thats about the same as meso pretty near perfection if you ask me !Def get a good bra though ,def changes the way my clothes fit x

maybees · 13/05/2010 22:40

I also just see this as a developmental stage for me,not every woman gets this chance for self reflection and rebirth.I feel I am lucky to get the chance now to reflect on what I have learnt in my life and walk a new independent path.Yes it is scary and yes late 2009 and early 2010 were very painful and negative times but i make my own choices now and I truely learn something new about myself everyday Take Carex

partytime · 13/05/2010 22:59

I need to knuckle down and have a good wardrobe sort out, keep putting it off.

Maybe a job for this weekend.
x

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