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A long post about trust and what to do

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TheSecretMoaner · 10/05/2010 15:09

My boyfriend feels he can't trust me. He can, but we need to break this pattern. What now?

Sorry if this is long - I'm having trouble putting both sides of the issue forward here.

The problem isn't cheating or anything 'major' such as a gambling or drug addiction. The problem is/are white lies I tell about how I run my own life. I've had problem with money in the past - for various reasons, habit, mental illness, impulsiveness, I struggle with managing my finances.I often overspend, and I've had problems when trying to sell things online as I've been disorganised and wasn't able to fulfill obligations to buyers which lead to a big headache. Long story short, I gave up the selling and am trying to manage my money better, taking a few steps to do so that would have been unthinkable a couple of years ago - paying off a lot of my debt and setting up regular savings - but I still struggle. I still have months where I have little money toward the last two weeks before payday, and I find this embarrassing but still difficult to try and break out of. I am trying, though.

I have turned to my boyfriend on many occasions to help me out with this (emotionally and mentally more than financially, though that has been part of it) and he has been happy to do so, and I appreciate it a lot. The downside, though, is that he always feels I'm hiding things from him. Things I do, things I've bought. He feels I need to get rid of clutter, and makes me get rid of things I don't want to as he feels I don't need them, then gets upset when I hide them away. (He has come round to help me get rid of things and I later find things that I need in the rubbish bag, which he has thrown in there without asking me because he doesn't know what they are.) He says he worries that he'll come round and discover more stuff I've bought, or acquired, or find that I've run out of money for the month again, and he doesn't want to do that, and he feels he doesn't knwo what to believe anymore.

If I buy or do something I often feel I can't tell him about it because I would have to justify it, or explain why, and sometimes it's easier not to because I feel it would either upset him to see me spending money etc. or I resent having to explain myself all the time. And sometimes, I know I've made a bad or silly choice but it's too embarrassing or upsetting to own up to somebody else, so I end up continuing as though it never happened.

From his point of view, he feels he's been lied to so often that he doesn't know how to trust me. I find it hard to explain why I don't feel I can be honest, but when I do, he doesn't seem to understand. A few months ago, he told me he was logging into my e-mail, my Facebook account (which I rarely use), and other accounts because he said he was so worried that I was selling or buying things behind his back and not telling him. I was really upset about this, mainly because I guard my privacy well and I resented the implication that I had something to hide here - I know his passwords and never once has it occured to me to do this, because it feels fundamentally wrong. He says he gets frustrated because he feels I need to act more like an adult, but when I'm constantly being asked to justify choices I make I find it hard to do so - to which his answer is 'Well, if you grow up, then you can prove to me you can be trusted.' I feel that in some areas I am more adult than he is, though don't use this as a stick with which to beat him in the same way. He feels as though he's been there for me during chaotic periods in my life and helped and been patient, and now, during a short time of stability and getting myself sorted out, he feels like I'm telling him what to do and I'm not entitled to do so.

I need to point out that we have a good relationship other than this and that he is very loving and caring. I am able to be more honest with him than I can be with anyone else - I find it extremely hard to be open about certain things - which is why it upsets me that I feel I have to hide things that are perfectly normal. I just find this very difficult, particularly as I grew up with a very controlling parent and was made to feel as though I was not entitled to make my own choices or views heard - I find confrontation difficult as a result and end up crying when we try and talk about things because I feel like I'm being told off for my mistakes. When there are 'bigger' things on my mind, I feel less inclined to bring them up because I know how upset he gets about the smaller things, and I can't cope with it abd with being told how I'm all wrong (nb this is how it feels at the time for me - he tells me afterward that if I was just upfront to begin with it would save a lot of upset for both of us.)

We have discussed moving in together a lot, which can't happen for a while, because we live in different cities and he needs to find a job in mine first - something which he has not been working towards (I appreciate that it's not as easy as that and jobhunting is incredibly demoralizing, but this does make me feel like I'm the only one being told I'm not helping to keep the relationship moving forward. We have been discussing this for about two years and in that time he's applied for perhaps five jobs, while working in one he really dislikes, and I am keen for him to be happer and motivate him to change even if moving in/staying together never happens.) Sometimes I wonder why he's going out with me at all when I can be such hard work, and I wonder if he just wants to avoid the issue because he'd rather not live with me, and I can't see why anybody would want to commit seriously to living with me because sometimes even I don't want to live with me.

I can understand him being nervous about living with someone who could be seen as a financial liability. But I really want to break this pattern and for both of us to be rational and adult about things, adn move forward. What's the next step? How can we work on rebuilding trust?

OP posts:
templemaiden · 10/05/2010 16:29

Well, on the one hand, I would hate it if I had to justify what I bought to anyone nd I would hate it if my partner came round and started throwing my stuff out, or telling me I had to get rid of my "clutter" or telling me I didn't need stuff that I do actually need. And I would never ever think of doing that to my partner.

Having said that, if you in the past have had money problems, and even now struggle to balance your finances, maybe you do need someone to sort you out, if you are unable to do it yourself.

I think it's time to tae a good long look at what you are spending your money on. Keep your receipts and look at them at the and of the week. Did you really need everything you ought that week? What exactly are you buying.

Prove to him, and yourself, that you can be financially trustworthy by BEING financially trustworthy. That is the first step.

Anniegetyourgun · 11/05/2010 10:10

Whoa, just seen this and thinking, we have serious control issues here. The OP has trouble organising her life and finances, ok, but the guy seems to think this justifies him throwing her stuff away, in her house that he doesn't live in, and letting himself into her email and Facebook... That's not helping out, it's an effing liberty. I'm sure he's very nice and loving and caring and all that, but my first instinct is to shout "Run away! Run away!"

I'd prescribe counselling for your issues, Moaner, for which you have my sympathy, but more particularly a big boot up the arse for the boyfriend. Preferably in an out-of-my-life direction, but at the very least a serious hands-off-my-stuff.

coppertop · 11/05/2010 10:19

I agree with Anniegetyourgun. Your boyfriend's behaviour has gone far beyond supporting you with your financial issues. He sounds incredibly controlling and is treating you like a small child.

I think you need help and support from a different source. Hopefully someone else will know more about the specifics but something like help from a financial adviser/debt counsellor to help with the practical side of things. It sounds as though your self-esteem has also taken a real battering.

SolidGoldBrass · 11/05/2010 10:29

YOur 'boyfriend' is an abusive predator who has been drawn to you becuase of your difficulties. He is feeding off you, psychologically. Being able to bully and control you is what makes him feel good.
Unfortunately a lot of predatory, toxic, horrible people are in fact drawn to the caring professions, and when it comes to personal relationships, people who are in difficulties of some kind and whose self esteem has taken a battering. These predators seem wonderful at first; they are very charming and very helpful, but what they are seeking is control and power over you.
Kick this man out, seek help elsewhere. You can do it, but he doesn't actually want you to so he will sabotage you rather than help in the long run.

slug · 11/05/2010 10:46

What SGB said. Run for the hills, you don't need someone like this in your life.

ginnny · 11/05/2010 10:56

"I grew up with a very controlling parent and was made to feel as though I was not entitled to make my own choices or views heard"
He's treating you exactly the same as your parents did and you are letting him.
FFS if he doesn't live with you and you are not financially dependent on him then what business is it of his how much money you spend and what you buy.
Completely and utterly agree with SGB - maybe counselling would give you the self esteem to realise that this is not right and you don't have to put up with this.

SolidGoldBrass · 11/05/2010 11:33

Even the fact that he has bailed you out in terms of giving you money is not in this case proof of good intentions - it's another way for him to increase control over you.
If you still owe him any money, then make a reasonable arrangement to repay it as quickly as possible, obviously, then you can be rid of him - if you owe him money and he gets arsey about it when you tell him to get lost, remember that (as with anyone you owe money to) they can't take it from you by force and if they take legal action against you, a court will not enforce unreasonable repayments and will not favour someone who has forced court action against a person who has already made a reasonable offer to pay.
And it occrured to me that you must have had experience of controlling bullies in the past to make you susceptible to another one: do get some proper, professional help both with your self esteem and your other issues.
Best of luck.

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