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Husband's drinking

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dublingal · 30/04/2010 20:09

I have posted on this before and it has become so much better but I am still in fear...

He used to drink heavily four or five times a night but now only, really, one - or two.

And by heavily I mean me finding him there the next morning, hearing him singing, totally out of it.

So! He has got it down to once a week and in his eyes I am still not happy. In my eyes he has never proved to me that he can stop. This evening, he bought 15 bottles of Hoegarden (7 pints) and then I had bought a bottle of wine for us to share. But when the wine was gone he went out to buy another and when he returned he caught me throwing some of it down the sink and topping it up with vinegar.
I know this it terrible - and he has now disappeared to drink himself into oblivion saying he can't live with me - but I just can't let go. We have a two year old soundly sleeping and I just think there has to be some control.
I am so proud of what he has achieved but surely he doesn;t havt to get blotto...

Am I a crazy psycho?

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tippytumbles · 30/04/2010 20:23

I have no advice I'm afraid as my DH is very similar - he is scary when in drink and packed his bags and left 2 days ago (but that's due to loads of other stuff too). You are certainly 'no crazy psycho' to be concerned. Does he accept he has a problem around drink? I think the problem (as in my DH's case) is when they don't think they are doing anything wrong and that the other person is a spoilsport in their eyes.

Elasticwoman · 30/04/2010 20:27

Of course you're not the psycho in this situation.

This man can't cope with alcohol. You can't make the decision for him to give it up altogether, but you can give it up yourself to minimise temptation for him and you can go to that organisation for the family of alcoholics (AL Anon?).

There are people who go on the wagon after booze nearly gets the better of them. Not sure how near the edge they have to be before they do that.

dublingal · 30/04/2010 20:29

Thanks tippy - I know I am a control freak but I just don't know how to let it just all happen in my home, with a baby asleep.
The worst thing is that when he doesn't drink we are the most happy, together couple I know...

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dublingal · 30/04/2010 20:36

Elasticwoman, I have given up alcohol before because I have begun to hate it but we are both so desperate to make everything normal that is still something that we do together, except I jsut want half a bottle and he wants so much more. I think I will go off it totally again... thanks for your advice. Much appreciated.
It's such a lonely thing. I told my three university friends about it - no one else knows - and my husbands feels so betrayed. I have tried to tell him why I had to tell them etc but he doesn't see it.
No one else understands. I am envious of those who have teetotal husbands and I have to be so encouraging of him because he has admittedly changed a lot but not enought, in my book - one night a week, the gloves are off.

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tippytumbles · 30/04/2010 20:36

You are not a control freak for not wanting a drunk reeling around possibly waking a baby. In my case my DH thought I was being unreasonable to object to him rolling in after 1am on a Tuesday (almost every Tuesday) and if I was really lucky he'd also have a pal or two tagging along making loads of noice and smoking/drinking into the early hours

tippytumbles · 30/04/2010 20:38

"noise"

dublingal · 30/04/2010 20:42

That's what I hate is turning out lovely home into a drinking den. Our baby is two now and one day very soon she is going to walk in and find him like that. There is nothing i can do, and just hope that he will grow up and put alcohol in its place.
Sometimes, he goes into our baby's room and picks her up and then comes into me saying how much he loves her. I hate him when he's like this - it's Jeckyll and Hyde. It's hard to love someone so much during the week and then despise them every Friday night.

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Elasticwoman · 30/04/2010 21:46

Dublingal, I feel for you. Your dh is in a dangerous situation re the sauce. Not only does he create situations that you don't like, but he is poisoning himself. This could have serious long term health repercussions and the risk of serious accident is very high with some one very drunk.

I suggest you talk to your GP about it.

I wonder why your dh wants oblivion. Has he something traumatic in his past, such as military action?

Your dh is in denial of course. On the one hand he paints you as the spoilsport and on the other he doesn't want you to mention his behaviour to friends. Couldn't possibly be ashamed of it, could he?

darkandstormy · 30/04/2010 22:46

tbh he is using booze as a means of escapism, he is unhappy and using it as a cocoon.

ExpectantDad · 30/04/2010 23:07

15 bottles of hoegaarden is a lot more like 10-12 pints. This is a seriously strong beer. I'll be honest I drink pretty heavily and that is so far of the radar of acceptable.

blackcurrants · 01/05/2010 00:32

Do you think if your H saw what he was like, he might want to stop being like that? A friend of my mum's secretly videotaped her H and then showed him a few days later (when his foul hangover and equally foul temper had gone), basically saying "Are saying your children should respect you when they see you like this? Are you saying I should respect you when I see you like this?" and it was one of the things that got him into AA.

Might be WAY off-base here, might be absolutely the wrong thing to do with your H, but just something that I'd heard.

dublingal · 01/05/2010 00:58

Thanks for all your advice. He's irish - hate to whip up stereo types here but it is just so ingrained in the culture. And then it is a slippery slope. He is an unpleasant person when drunk (who isn't?).
Thanks all - we will see what happens.

xxx

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ItsGraceAgain · 01/05/2010 00:59

I'm a big fan of videoing somebody whilst they're doing the behaviours, which they say you're unreasonable to dislike. Doesn't always work - but, at least, if you've shown 'em and they still don't change, you know what you're up against. As blackcurrants says, it can work.

OP, there are hundreds of pages in a Google result for "define problem drinking". As a practising alcoholic myself , I'd summarise as follows: If your drink screws up your life in any way, you have a drink problem.

You are his wife and you are unhappy about his drinking. Therefore it's screwing up his life. But he's denying the problem ... therfore he's an alcoholic. Sorry

Have a look at Al-anon. That's to support you, nothing about controlling his drinking (which you can't, and it would be unhealthy for you to try.) Depending on where you live, etc, you could find some fantastic personal support. For a start, how about phoning them and/or sending off for a couple of leaflets.

Good luck!

MIFLAW · 01/05/2010 02:42

"Thanks for all your advice. He's irish - hate to whip up stereo types here but it is just so ingrained in the culture. And then it is a slippery slope."

I don't think it is. Not drinking like that.

AA is packed with Irish and Scots, don't get me wrong, to the extent that there is a feeling amongst many that it is partially genetic in that racial group - one nickname of alcoholism is "the Irish virus". But be very clear that the sort of drinking you are describing has nothing to do with culture and everything to do with problem drinking. Many, many people from Ireland and of Irish heritage drink a lot when it is time to drink and then don't drink when it's not.

FWIW I am of Irish heritage and also a recovering alkie (and a man), so I am reasonably well placed to talk about this.

PS 7 pints of best bitter or brown ale is a lot for most ordinary men. 7 pints of Hoegaarden would incapacitate the majority of normal drinkers. This is a huge amount of booze, especially if topped off with half a bottle of wine.

dublingal · 01/05/2010 03:49

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone. Feel at the end of the line - something has to change. Don't know what though but chaos comes into our lives every week and it's awful and upsetting.
Thanks to all for taking the time.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/05/2010 07:57

DG

There are the 3cs to remember with regards to alcoholism:-

You did NOT cause this
You cannot cure this
You cannot control this
(I note you have been trying the last one; simply put it does not work)

Do not drink alcohol with your H any longer; that can be seen as enabling behaviour. You have enabled him by doing that particular behaviour.

You cannot save him and or rescue him from his alcohol problem; you can only help your own self here and I would urge you to contact Al-anon as they can help family members of problem drinkers. He is also in denial of his problem, you cannot make him see the truth though. The harsh truth here is that his primary relationship is now with alcohol; everything and everyone else comes a dim and distant second. That includes his family, friends and his job. How many times too have you made excuses for him?.

Alcoholism as well thrives on secrecy; you do need to talk to someone and open up a bit more, I would strongly suggest talking to Al-anon and attending a meeting/reading their literature because you are also playing a role here in regards to his alcoholism.

His inherent alcoholism will eventually kill any love or feelings you have for him and you are likely already feeling resentful. I would also actually question your assertion that you are the happiest couple without drink. This is not the case because the elephant in the room i.e his alcoholism is always present and you're thinking when is he going to start drinking again and what are you going to do this time?.

Re this comment of yours too:-

"There is nothing i can do, and just hope that he will grow up and put alcohol in its place"

You are wrong on the first part (there are things you can do to help yourself). It is also not about "him growing up and putting alcohol in its place". He cannot drink alcohol ever again, he does not have that innate ability to stop and he wants to drink to forget. BTW does he come from a family of heavy drinkers; sometimes alcoholism is actually learnt. Whatever his reasons (and there are always reasons) alcoholism is a complicated subject. Unfortunately also you as his wife is the last person who can help him. I would also add that he could lose everything and he could still go on drinking; there are no guarantees here.

What is the longest period of time to your recollection he has gone without alcohol?.
Did you know when you married he had such a problem or did you think that marriage and or children could change him?.

You cannot change him but you can change how you react to him. You can help your own self here. Also there is an element of co-dependency here within all this; I would read up on this too.

It is also about your child; growing up in a household where a parent is an alcoholic can lead that young person to develop all sorts of relationship and emotional problems. She will learn that something is amiss as she gets older if she is not already noticing (children are very perceptive). They can go onto choose alcoholics themselves as partners or become super responsible as people. You absolutely cannot leave that as a legacy to your DD. You know at heart your man is an alcoholic.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/05/2010 07:59

Republic of Ireland:

Al-Anon Information Centre, Room 5, 5 Capel Street, Dublin 1, Republic of Ireland

Tel: 01 873 2699 (Helpline 10.30am - 2.30pm, Mon - Fri)

Please call them.

bobblehead · 02/05/2010 03:54

Could he stay anywhere else whilst drunk? That way you only see him at his best. You're obviously not ready to leave him and he's not ready to stop drinking so minimise the damage to you and your dd until something changes....

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